Faith in Christ is Completely Logical

[savagewind]

Your emotional response aside, since it is entirely irrelevant, all you are doing is making pronouncements, not observations. You wish you had something better, you have no actual knowledge that such a thing actually exists. Wishful thinking is nothing to be proud of.

I have no physical evidence. That is correct.

 

[savagewind]

Nice hole you're digging there lion.

 

[savagewind]

What does the evidence reveal plainly what people would do with physical evidence about God?

 

[Cephus]

I have no physical evidence. That is correct.

I didn't ask for physical evidence, I asked for OBJECTIVE evidence. There is a difference.

 

[savagewind]

I didn't ask for physical evidence, I asked for OBJECTIVE evidence. There is a difference.

There is a Information based on facts that can be proved through analysis, measurement, observation, and other such means of research.
Read more: What is objective evidence? definition and meaning

Tell me how any of that can be done to spirit.

 

[Cephus]

There is a Information based on facts that can be proved through analysis, measurement, observation, and other such means of research.
Read more: What is objective evidence? definition and meaning

Tell me how any of that can be done to spirit.

If it can't be done, tell us how you came to the conclusion that spirit actually exists without relying on blind faith, which is entirely unimpressive. If that's all you've got, then we cannot have a rational, intellectual discussion with you on the subject.

 

[nazz]

I didn't ask for physical evidence, I asked for OBJECTIVE evidence. There is a difference.

Why do you turn every debate into a debate about the existence of deities?

I'm still waiting for objective evidence for a claim you made earlier. Remember?

 

[savagewind]

If it can't be done, tell us how you came to the conclusion that spirit actually exists without relying on blind faith, which is entirely unimpressive. If that's all you've got, then we cannot have a rational, intellectual discussion with you on the subject.

You're right! So why try?

 

[Cephus]

Why do you turn every debate into a debate about the existence of deities?

I'm still waiting for objective evidence for a claim you made earlier. Remember?

Because that's the basic question here. Everything else in religion relies on that basic assumption. Without demonstrating the existence of gods, there's no reason to go further and discuss the religions that rely on it.

And no, I don't recall, please remind me.

 

[nazz]

Because that's the basic question here. Everything else in religion relies on that basic assumption. Without demonstrating the existence of gods, there's no reason to go further and discuss the religions that rely on it.

IYO. The rest of us are just fine discussing religious questions

And no, I don't recall, please remind me.

About how the people most terrified of death are the ones who believe in afterlife.

 

[Cephus]

You're right! So why try?

Well, it is pretty sad that you believe something for which you have no good, credible reason to think it's true and seem pretty proud of yourself for doing it. It's something you ought to be embarrassed by, at least in my opinion.

 

[Cephus]

IYO. The rest of us are just fine discussing religious questions

Except for the ones that actually matter.

About how the people most terrified of death are the ones who believe in afterlife.

If you don't fear death, there's no reason whatsoever to believe in an afterlife. If you accept that death is a natural part of the life cycle, that everything and everyone that is alive will eventually die and you're fine with that, what's the point of believing that life will go on forever?

 

[nazz]

Except for the ones that actually matter.

Newsflash: what matters to YOU is not necessarily what matters to other people

If you don't fear death, there's no reason whatsoever to believe in an afterlife. If you accept that death is a natural part of the life cycle, that everything and everyone that is alive will eventually die and you're fine with that, what's the point of believing that life will go on forever?

Nice dodge. And nonsense. Probably time to put you on ignore.

 

[1robin]

If it can't be done, tell us how you came to the conclusion that spirit actually exists without relying on blind faith, which is entirely unimpressive. If that's all you've got, then we cannot have a rational, intellectual discussion with you on the subject.

Jesus answered this himself in response to Nicodemus asking the same question. He said do not marvel at this, you can't see the wind yet you know it exists because of it's effects. If no material explanation exists for a event. A miracle actually instantly relegates natural explanations to futility. If I see Westminster Abby levitate and land over in Jerusalem at the instant a prayer was made for that event to occur I am not going to find an explanation for that in natural law. I am instantly validated in having faith that it is an event that has an explanation which does not lie in natural law or materialistic explanation and conclude it is not material and non-natural. IOW I can rationally have faith in a spiritual explanation from the effects of events that defy natural explanation.

 

[1robin]

Well, it is pretty sad that you believe something for which you have no good, credible reason to think it's true and seem pretty proud of yourself for doing it. It's something you ought to be embarrassed by, at least in my opinion.

3/4 of the world population finds enough reason to believe that even something so fantastic as the supernatural exists.

1. It is absurd and arrogant enough to believe every single one of tens of billions are all wrong without the slightest fraction of the evidence necessary to conclude that responsibly.
2. It is hyperbolically absurd to claim they do so without any evidence.

 

[Cephus]

Nice dodge. And nonsense. Probably time to put you on ignore.

By all means, run away from reality.

 

[McBell]

3/4 of the world population finds enough reason to believe that even something so fantastic as the supernatural exists.

Appeal to popularity

1. It is absurd and arrogant enough to believe every single one of tens of billions are all wrong without the slightest fraction of the evidence necessary to conclude that responsibly.

personal opinion
One wonders why those tens of billions are still unable to convince someone who is not already inclined to believe?

2. It is hyperbolically absurd to claim they do so without any evidence.

Oh the irony

 

[Cephus]

Jesus answered this himself in response to Nicodemus asking the same question. He said do not marvel at this, you can't see the wind yet you know it exists because of it's effects. If no material explanation exists for a event. A miracle actually instantly relegates natural explanations to futility. If I see Westminster Abby levitate and land over in Jerusalem at the instant a prayer was made for that event to occur I am not going to find an explanation for that in natural law. I am instantly validated in having faith that it is an event that has an explanation which does not lie in natural law or materialistic explanation and conclude it is not material and non-natural. IOW I can rationally have faith in a spiritual explanation from the effects of events that defy natural explanation.

You're right, if that happens. When has that happened? It hasn't. Most people's "miracles" are finding their car keys and attributing that to supernatural intervention. You just don't see these grand, unquestionable displays. If it happened, I'd have a hard time disagreeing with you that the physical laws as we know them had been violated. Let me know when something like that actually happens.

 

[nazz]

By all means, run away from reality.

LOL, right on cue. So predictable. See ya around.

 

[Cephus]

3/4 of the world population finds enough reason to believe that even something so fantastic as the supernatural exists.

1. It is absurd and arrogant enough to believe every single one of tens of billions are all wrong without the slightest fraction of the evidence necessary to conclude that responsibly.
2. It is hyperbolically absurd to claim they do so without any evidence.

There was a time when most people believed the Earth was flat. They were all wrong. There was a time when most people believed the whole universe revolved around the Earth. They were all wrong. Argumentum ad populum is nothing to be proud of.