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False prophets

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Islam and Christianity talked about false prophets and to be aware of them,i ain't sure about Judaism.

What about other religions did they warn about the coming of false prophets ?

Did Baha'i and Ahamadiyya teach about false prophets and if not why they didn't ?

Bahai and Ahmadiyya doesn't make any sense to me as both messengers came together in the same period of time with different teachings and hence both prophets i think were false ones.
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
Peace be on you.
Bahais and Ahmadiyyas are different.
Ahmadiyyas are nothing but Full Muslims.


Holy Quran and Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) made prophecy for reformation of Latter days.
Some lost hope that anyone will come.
Some said he will comes.
Ahmadiyya Muslims said he has come.


Next the question of his status.
Those who wait say he will be previous Prophet.
Ahmadiyya Muslims believe previous Prophets do not come. It is only title. Holy Quran in Surah Jumua (ch 62) said:

[ch62:v3] He it is Who has raised among the Unlettered people a Messenger from among themselves who recites unto them His verses, and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and wisdom, although they had been, before, in manifest misguidance;


[ch62:v4]And among others from among them, who have not yet joined them. He is the Mighty, the Wise.




ABOUT THE VERSE (62:4)

The Companion Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) said:

One day we were sitting with Holy Prophet when Surah Jumua was revealed. I enquired from the Holy Prophet, Who are the people to whom the words,

'And among others who have not yet joined them' Salman, the Persian was sitting among us. Upon my repeated asking him the same question the Holy Prophet put his hand on Salman and said, 'If faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man from these would surely find it.'
[Ref: Book of Hadith, Bukhari]

And Hadith of Muslim, Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) said four time Esa Nabiullah's coming.

Two Ahadith in Bukhari mentions two different men as Esa ibne Maryam (Jesus);
a)-one was reddish with curly hairs (in Mairaj - ascension, obviously it was first Esa a.s. and b)-other as brownish skin straight hairs circuiting around Kaaba after Dajjal

Mahdi is none but Esa. [Ibne Majah]



Thus all this from Quran and Hadith amounts to following:
1- The latter days' reformer is lost in love of Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) as subordinate Prophet.
2- He will defend Islam against anti truth forces (Dajjal).
3- He is like Jesus a.s. (who came after 1400 years of Moses a.s.), he came 1400 years after Muhammad (s.a.w.)
4- He is Mahdi too, i.e. guided by Allah.
5- He is beloved servant devotee of Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w.)

Ahmadiyya Muslims believe that Holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) is The Chief and Last Prophet of Last Shariah and he (s.a.w.) is unique that his (s.a.w.) light can make subordinate Prophets to serve his cause, as Holy Quran tells, which is blessings asked in Surah Al Fateha:
[1:6] Guide us in the right path —
[1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.

The top most blessing is Prophethood according to Quran, next are Truthful, Martyrs then Righteous.

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The difference between true and false Prophets and Priests @ Secular Viewpoints Examined
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/library/books/revelation/part_3_section_1.html
 
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CMike

Well-Known Member
What was false about Jesus teachings and I don't mean what people said about him?
Claiming that you can only get to G-D via him.

Claiming that you can only get to heaven if you accept him as your lord and saviour.

Claiming that he has any divine power

Etc.

Actually I think he would come under being a false god, rather than a false prophet, which is worse.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Judaism also teaches that the era of prophecy ended well before Jesus was born so anyone claiming to be a prophet after that would, by definition, be false.
 

b.finton

In the Unity of Faith
Claiming that you can only get to G-D via him.

Claiming that you can only get to heaven if you accept him as your lord and saviour.

Claiming that he has any divine power

Etc.

Actually I think he would come under being a false god, rather than a false prophet, which is worse.

Unsurprisingly, there's a problem with definitions.

The man (Y'Shua) plainly said that the people looking directly at him were missing the point: that they did not perceive the talker; that the words Y'Shua is said to have spoken were not his own; that the works were not his own; that serving the Father, the Source speaking and working through him, was the single objective of his entire ministry. He didn't even teach in his own name, but in the name of Yahushua: literally, "the Salvation of Yah."

The Indwelling is in all men, peeking through the lattice of our thoughts and knocking upon the thresholds of our emotions. The true and faithful witness said, seek and you will find. The face/identity of the man is incidental: it's the faces/expressions of the Father within that save.

b.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Peace be on you.
Bahai and Ahmadiyyas are different.
Ahmadiyyas are nothing but Muslims.

Holy Quran and Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) made prophecy for reformation of Latter days.
Some lost hope
Some said he will comes.
Ahmadiyya Muslims said he has come.

Next the question of his status.
Those who wait say he will be previous Prophet.
Ahmadiyya Muslims believe previous Prophets do not come. It is only title. Holy Quran in Surah Jumua (ch 62) said:

[ch62:v3] He it is Who has raised among the Unlettered people a Messenger from among themselves who recites unto them His verses, and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and wisdom, although they had been, before, in manifest misguidance;


[ch62:v4]And among others from among them, who have not yet joined them. He is the Mighty, the Wise.




ABOUT THE VERSE (62:4)

The Companion Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) said:

One day we were sitting with Holy Prophet when Surah Jumua was revealed. I enquired from the Holy Prophet, Who are the people to whom the words,

'And among others who have not yet joined them' Salman, the Persian was sitting among us. Upon my repeated asking him the same question the Holy Prophet put his hand on Salman and said, 'If faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man from these would surely find it.'
[Ref: Book of Hadith, Bukhari]

And Hadith of Muslim, Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) said four time Esa Nabiullah's coming.

Two Ahadith in Bukhari mentions two different men as Esa ibne Maryam (Jesus);
a)-one was reddish with curly hairs (in Mairaj - ascension, obviously it was first Esa a.s. and b)-other as brownish skin straight hairs circuiting around Kaaba after Dajjal

Mahdi is none but Esa. [Ibne Majah]



Thus all this from Quran and Hadith amounts to following:
1- The latter days' reformer is lost in love of Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) as subordinate Prophet.
2- He will defend Islam against anti truth forces (Dajjal).
3- He is like Jesus a.s. (who came after 1400 years of Moses a.s.), he came 1400 years after Muhammad (s.a.w.)
4- He is Mahdi too, i.e. guided by Allah.
5- He is beloved servant devotee of Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w.)

Ahmadiyya Muslims believe that Holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) is The Chief and Last Prophet of Last Shariah and he (s.a.w.) is unique that his (s.a.w.) light can make subordinate Prophets to serve his cause, as Holy Quran tells, which is blessings asked in Surah Al Fateha:
[1:6] Guide us in the right path —
[1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.

The top most blessing is Prophethood according to Quran, next are Truthful, Martyrs then Righteous.

========================================


The difference between true and false Prophets and Priests @ Secular Viewpoints Examined
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/library/books/revelation/part_3_section_1.html

So it is clear that Bahaullah and Ahmadi don't think about false prophets, to them anyone can be a true prophet and at any time.
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
Claiming that you can only get to G-D via him.

Claiming that you can only get to heaven if you accept him as your lord and saviour.

Claiming that he has any divine power

Etc.

Actually I think he would come under being a false god, rather than a false prophet, which is worse.

But those words are not teachings, they were put in his mouth. by the writers. I asked about his teachings.
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
Judaism also teaches that the era of prophecy ended well before Jesus was born so anyone claiming to be a prophet after that would, by definition, be false.

Prophets are councilors and advisors. Tell us One leader or country in this world that doesn't have councilors and advisors.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Prophets are councilors and advisors. Tell us One leader or country in this world that doesn't have councilors and advisors.
No, prophets in Judaism are a specific thing. Any claim to being a prophet within the scope of Judaism (the religion Jesus was operating under) would be wrong at that time.
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
Prophets by definition prophesized. They told the future.

Anyone can tell the future. Storm clouds mean a storm. Political problems in a leader's cabinet, means a shake up. Disobeying the occupying force in your land usually means exile or destruction. I don't see were any special abilities or name (prophet) are needed.
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
No, prophets in Judaism are a specific thing. Any claim to being a prophet within the scope of Judaism (the religion Jesus was operating under) would be wrong at that time.


A King is a councilor, he gets advise from his councilors.....Prophets are and were Cabinet members, who gave council to the King.
 

gsa

Well-Known Member
Skeptics have been warning about false prophets for about as long as prophets have been appearing. Little impact, alas.
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
Anyone can tell the future. Storm clouds mean a storm. Political problems in a leader's cabinet, means a shake up. Disobeying the occupying force in your land usually means exile or destruction. I don't see were any special abilities or name (prophet) are needed.
How about a hundred years in the future?
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
So it is clear that Bahaullah and Ahmadi don't think about false prophets, to them anyone can be a true prophet and at any time.

Peace be on all.

1- Question from Bahais should be asked to them.

2- Ahmadiyya Muslims believe:

Holy Quran
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[7:36] O children of Adam! if Messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing My Signs unto you, then whoso shall fear God and do good deeds, on them shall come no fear nor shall they grieve.


2=
It is according to as earlier said:

[1:6] Guide us in the right path —
[1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.

The top most blessing is Prophethood according to Quran, next are Truthful, Martyrs then Righteous.


3=
There is clear news of coming of reformer of the status of subordinate Messenger / Prophet.


4=
Now the only question remains, can anyone stand up and claim that he is one or Is there any criteria for true commer?....For this we have to look Holy Prophet (s.a.w.). When he came, how did he presented his truth? Some of the related verses of Holy Quran from many.

Life before Claim

[10:17] Say, ‘If Allah had so willed, I should not have recited it to you nor would He have made it known to you. I have indeed lived among you a whole lifetime before this. Will you not then understand?’


Unseen Revealed

[72:27] He is the Knower of the unseen; and He reveals not His secrets to any one,
[72:28] Except to him whom He chooses, namely a Messenger of His. And then He causes an escort of guarding angels to go before him and behind him,


Allah does not let False Prophet Survive and Prosper

[69:45] And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us,
[69:46] We would surely have seized him by the right hand,
[69:47] And then surely We would have severed his life-artery,
[69:48] And not one of you could have held Us off from him.
[69:49] And verily it is a reminder for the righteous.


Progess

[21:45] Nay, We provided those and their fathers with the good things of this world till life grew long for them. Do they not see that We are visiting the land, reducing it from its outlying borders? Can they even then be victors?


Victory

[58:22] Allah has decreed: ‘Most surely I will prevail, I and My Messengers.’ Verily, Allah is Powerful, Mighty.


Related Info @ The Quranic Evidence: Truthfulness of The Promised Messiah: 4th & 5th Q – THE CRITERIA OF A TRUE PROPHET
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/library/books/truthfulness/question_4_5.html


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There are some ahadith with regard to false prophets. You may want to read them and commentary.
Book: Truth Prevails - Solution of Reports in Hadith Taken as a Bar against the Advent of a Prophet after the Holy Prophet Mohammad</a></a> (Chapter 2, Section 3)
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/library/books/truth_prevails/chapter_2_section_3.html


6=
About more prophets:
Attempts to Philosophically Justify the Finality of Non-law-bearing Prophethood
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/library/books/revelation/part_7_section_2.html


7=
Divine doors are always open, one can always pray to Allah:
I have heard one person is claiming he is the promised one. O Allah please guide me in this regard.

Good wishes.
 
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