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Far right president feeds citizens croc of ****

stvdv

stvdv

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danieldemol said:
'COVID-19 Vaccine Can Turn People Into "Crocodiles": Brazilian President
"In the Pfizer contract it's very clear: 'we're not responsible for any side effects.' If you turn into a crocodile, it's your problem," Jair Bolsonaro* said on Thursday.'

*Brazilian President
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IMO:

At least it's an honest article (warning that you take it at your own risk; I read the same in Holland)

A few weeks ago this was in Dutch news also, hence I decided not to take it. The ones producing the vaccine don't take responsibility when it goes wrong. Dutch government had to promise to take care if things go wrong, because the ones producing the vaccine said they needed more time and tests to ensure safety, and hence they are not able to take such a risk. Though they only talked about side effects, crocodiles is more a Brazil thing I guess.

Here in Holland they promised ca. 2 weeks ago, that the vaccine will never be enforced on people, but a few days ago the newspapers already said, that they want to make the vaccine obligatory. Another reason to not take it for me. I don't trust people who don't keep promises and fluctuate so much. It's my health that is at risk. I rather trust my common senses, then blindly follow such people. It's kind of with a new Religion, I have problems blindly following new Religions.

My health is already quite compromised, so I hope many people take the vaccine, and when people don't die, I might take my chance too. Even reading the description about side effects, it says that people with my problems can face big problems when taken, hence I am extra careful before taking it. So far, last year I never got it, luckily. But I think the vaccine will be safe, otherwise they would never start it worldwide (my opinion of course).
 
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Altfish

Altfish

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I hope all these nutcase anti-vaxers don't take the medicine and give more deserving people a chance sooner.
It may be a mass "Darwin Award" moment.

I see Murdoch's channel spreads lies about the vaccine but Murdoch himself is pretty fast to take it up. Hypocrite
 
ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Altfish said:
I hope all these nutcase anti-vaxers don't take the medicine and give more deserving people a chance sooner.
It may be a mass "Darwin Award" moment.
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I'd completely agree if it weren't for the fact that some people can't take the vaccine, so we need a significant proportion of the population to be vaccinated in order to eliminate the virus. These wingnuts aren't only risking their own lives.
 
stvdv

stvdv

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ratiocinator said:
I'd completely agree if it weren't for the fact that some people can't take the vaccine, so we need a significant proportion of the population to be vaccinated in order to eliminate the virus. These wingnuts aren't only risking their own lives.
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IMO:

I read that if 60% take the vaccine, the covid-19 thread will be over. But that was ca. 1 week ago, probably now they have different numbers.

Anyway, the people who take the vaccine don't have to worry about those who don't take the vaccine, that is kind of how vaccines work. If you take a good vaccine then you don't get the virus, you are protected. For 10 years I did not take Hepatitis vaccine when staying long time in India and I got it like 3 or 4 times. Then I took the vaccine and never got it again. People who did not have the vaccine, could not infect me, as I got the vaccine.

Probably the vaccine will be safe I think, but I rather not be a guinea pig, with my severe health issues. So, I let others go first, and see how it goes from there.
 
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Koldo

Koldo

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danieldemol said:
Brazil:
'COVID-19 Vaccine Can Turn People Into "Crocodiles": Brazilian President
"In the Pfizer contract it's very clear: 'we're not responsible for any side effects.' If you turn into a crocodile, it's your problem," Jair Bolsonaro* said on Thursday.'

*Brazilian President

Read more here: COVID-19 Vaccine Can Turn People Into "Crocodiles": Brazilian President
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Ha. It was just an hyperbole. He is really pissed off that Pfizer, according to him, doesn't want to hold itself responsible for whatever happens though. And, assuming he is not lying, that is indeed a legitimate concern.
 
exchemist

exchemist

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danieldemol said:
Brazil:
'COVID-19 Vaccine Can Turn People Into "Crocodiles": Brazilian President
"In the Pfizer contract it's very clear: 'we're not responsible for any side effects.' If you turn into a crocodile, it's your problem," Jair Bolsonaro* said on Thursday.'

*Brazilian President

Read more here: COVID-19 Vaccine Can Turn People Into "Crocodiles": Brazilian President
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This type of headline annoys me. Bolsonaro said no such thing.

What he was saying was that the manufacturer accepts no liability, which he illustrated by saying that even if something as horrendous as you turning into a crocodile or bearded lady took place, they would not be liable. He never suggested this was actually a real risk with the vaccine. Obviously. :rolleyes:

It is hysterical and unhelpful language, certainly, but he never suggested the vaccine can turn people into crocodiles.
 
stvdv

stvdv

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exchemist said:
This type of headline annoys me. Bolsonaro said no such thing.
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IMO:

I think that is a natural side effect when a company refuses to take responsibility when their vaccine appears to have (nasty) side effects

This is crucial information AND very important that people get a clear message that taking the vaccine is at their own risk
Insurance companies probably might not cover side effects even; except very poor countries (others it's their own risk it seems to me)
BRUSSELS – A vaccine scheme co-led by the World Health Organization is setting up a compensation fund for people in poor nations who might suffer any side-effects from COVID-19 vaccines, aiming to allay fears that could hamper a global rollout of shots.

However dozens of middle-income countries, such as South Africa, Lebanon, Gabon, Iran and most Latin American states, would not be offered this protection.

“The COVAX Facility is developing a system to provide compensation to those individuals in any of the 92 economies … that suffer unexpected SAEs (serious adverse events) associated with such vaccines or their administration,” COVAX said.

It was not clear what criteria were used to select the 92 nations.

I rather have misleading headers, that are more than obvious never to happen (turn into crocs) then small print and/or even fooling us, with such vital information

At least this man is honest about it, I like that, and I am smart enough not to believe it will change me into a croc
Though super human powers is quite charming, I would not mind that
 
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Stevicus

Stevicus

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exchemist said:
It is hysterical and unhelpful language, certainly, but he never suggested the vaccine can turn people into crocodiles.
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It would certainly be quite a monumental achievement if anyone actually did invent a drug which would turn humans into crocodiles.
 
Altfish

Altfish

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Saint Frankenstein said:
Chances are, they'll likely be fine like most people are. You know those positive test results don't mean you're actually sick, right?
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Of course I do, I'm not stupid!!
I know two of my friends who have died from this, about 6 others have had it.
People who refuse to have the vaccine (unless they are excused for medical reasons) are stupid and selfish. Some of them will die - but they will also pass the disease on to others. Idiots
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

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Altfish said:
Of course I do, I'm not stupid!!
I know two of my friends who have died from this, about 6 others have had it.
People who refuse to have the vaccine (unless they are excused for medical reasons) are stupid and selfish. Some of them will die - but they will also pass the disease on to others. Idiots
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I think being hesitant to put something in your body that you know little about, that's totally new and when one of the vaccine companies has a shady past, is valid. I don't think people are trying to be malicious. We're all stressed out and unsure about the future here. I don't think demonizing people is fair or useful.
 
Altfish

Altfish

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Saint Frankenstein said:
I think being hesitant to put something in your body that you know little about, that's totally new and when one of the vaccine companies has a shady past, is valid. I don't think people are trying to be malicious. We're all stressed out and unsure about the future here. I don't think demonizing people is fair or useful.
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It is NOT 'totally new'. It is a variant of the already developed flu vaccines. It was developed in two days back in January 2020, it then went through 9-months of testing.

If people are stressed out, they should take the vaccine.
I will continue to demonise people who refuse vaccines; herd immunity depends on the majority taking the vaccine.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

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Altfish said:
It is NOT 'totally new'. It is a variant of the already developed flu vaccines. It was developed in two days back in January 2020, it then went through 9-months of testing.

If people are stressed out, they should take the vaccine.
I will continue to demonise people who refuse vaccines; herd immunity depends on the majority taking the vaccine.
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You can do what you want, but don't expect people to listen to you.
 
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