Farley?

[SoliDeoGloria]

Last night, after work, My wife and I were watching an autobiography on A&E about Chris Farley. It is no secret what he died from and after the show, my wife asked me what I thought about where he possibly ended up (heaven or hell). The interesting thing is that it was very hard to come up with a definitive answer for a few reasons.

The first obvious reason is that I am not God and am not that qualified to make that sort of a decision. The next couple of reasons are the ones I wanted to concentrate on in this thread. From the testimony of who the show claimed to be his very close friends and family, Mr. Farley was a very devout religious person who tooks things such as God, prayer, and family very seriously and I have no good reasons for doubting their testimony. What is not so much of a secret is that just as who he idolized, John Bilushy(I may have spelled the last name wrong), he was very heavily into drugs, alcohol, and promiscuity which can logically be stated to be the direct cause of his ultimate physical demise, which was very unfortunate. Another thing that was interesting was the great effort put forth by his friends and family to help him kick those habits that eventually led to his death. According to thier testimonies, he genuinely showed remorse for engaging in those things and had "quit" or "repented" of them many times but also struggled with them constantly.

I found myself feeling very sorry for the man and wanting to say that he ended up in heaven but could not state it without a shadow of a doubt especially when looking at it from a Biblical prospective. So I thought that it would be a good discussion for here to see what the general consesus would be. The thing I would be worried about most is the implication of his ending up in heaven being that one could think that they could basically do as they please thoughout their life and as long as they genuinely felt remorse over it and "repented" of it they could still end up in heaven. I have some other things I could state about it but would like to get some input about it first. So, what say you about Chris Farley and where he ended up; Heaven or Hell and why?

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

 

[Bishka]

Heaven. Why would he end up in hell?

 

[SoliDeoGloria]

Heaven. Why would he end up in hell?

I could understand why some might state that he may have ended up in hell due to his lack of completed repentence from the promiscuous and drug related lifestyle that eventually led to his death (1 Cor. 6:9-10; Rev. 21:8)

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

 

[Bishka]

I could understand why some might state that he may have ended up in hell due to his lack of completed repentence from the promiscuous and drug related lifestyle that eventually led to his death (1 Cor. 6:9-10; Rev. 21:8)

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

I still think he will be in heaven.

 

[SoliDeoGloria]

I still think he will be in heaven.

O.K., can you defend that stance from a Biblical prospective?

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

 

[Bishka]

O.K., can you defend that stance from a Biblical prospective?

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

From an LDS perspective yes, but a the moment, the brain is a little fried, and I'm sure I could from a Bible perspective. You can basically defend 99% of what goes on in the world if you misinterpret the Bible.

 

[SoliDeoGloria]

From an LDS perspective yes, but a the moment, the brain is a little fried, and I'm sure I could from a Bible perspective. You can basically defend 99% of what goes on in the world if you misinterpret the Bible

lol, While that could be a valid point, you and I both know what I was getting at. I would be suprised to find that you adhere to a "truth is perspective/relative" type of philosophy that you have adopted into your Biblical exegesis.

Anyways, thanks for the input and I would appreciate further explaination
when you are feeling more up to it.

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

 

[Mister_T]

O.K., can you defend that stance from a Biblical prospective?

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

Luke 18:9-14
He spoke also this parable to certain people who were convinced of their own righteousness, and who despised all others.

"Two men went up into the temple to pray;
one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector.
The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this:
‘God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.’But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn’t even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying,
‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

 

[SoliDeoGloria]

Luke 18:9-14
He spoke also this parable to certain people who were convinced of their own righteousness, and who despised all others.

"Two men went up into the temple to pray;
one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector.
The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this:
‘God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.’But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn’t even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying,
‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

That is a good one!!! The only question I would have is with how many times, according to the testimony of those who knew him, Farley "humbled" himself, was there ever a point where God might have said "that's enough"?
Heb. 10:26-27 "For if we go on sinning willfully after recieving the knowledge of truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins but a certain terrifying expectation of judgement, and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries".

I would once again like to reclarify that I am not casting judgement on the man, especially being as how I am not God(refer to OP). I'm just throwing some things out there. I am truly undecided on this issue.

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

Sincerely

 

[cardero]

It really depends on which aspects of Mr. Farley's life God is judging before this decision is made.

If God is taking into consideration his career on Saturday Night Live then it is safe to assume he will be going to heaven.

But if God is taking into consideration his film career than he is probably descending into the bowels of hell along with David Spade, Adam Sandler and Rob Schneider.

 

[Mister_T]

That is a good one!!! The only question I would have is with how many times, according to the testimony of those who knew him, Farley "humbled" himself, was there ever a point where God might have said "that's enough"?
Heb. 10:26-27 "For if we go on sinning willfully after recieving the knowledge of truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins but a certain terrifying expectation of judgement, and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries".

I would once again like to reclarify that I am not casting judgement on the man, especially being as how I am not God(refer to OP). I'm just throwing some things out there. I am truly undecided on this issue.

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

Sincerely

I don't know if you're familiar with drug addiction but it is very hard to kick....especially the type of drugs that he was doing. It is a very powerful addiction and it is very easy to fall back into.

I think that passage from Hebrews is applied to those who have the mentality of "Jesus paid my debt. I can do whatever I want guilt free" and don't feel any remorse for what they do.

 

[SoliDeoGloria]

I don't know if you're familiar with drug addiction but it is very hard to kick....especially the type of drugs that he was doing. It is a very powerful addiction and it is very easy to fall back into

My dad, whom I love, has just recently turned 50 and just recently quit doing "meth". Besides that, he is an extreme alcoholic who has been hospitalized many times for pankriutitus(I may have spelled that wrong), still smokes marijuana and has told me many stories about his experiences about all sorts of different drugs. While I have inherited his addictive personality and dabbled a little bit with drugs in my high school years, God has given me enough grace to be able to avoid most major addictions besides those darn cigarettes. I have tried many times in vain to quit those stupid things many times and have yet to succeed. While I can't state that I know exactly what Mr. Farley went through, I think I might have an idea. On top of that, during my four year incarceration, I have watched many of those whom I knew end up back in prison over "falling off the wagon" and having their parole revoked.

I think that passage from Hebrews is applied to those who have the mentality of "Jesus paid my debt. I can do whatever I want guilt free" and don't feel any remorse for what they do.

Good point once again!!! The only reason I might disagree with that is because of a word in Rev. 21:8 which talks about "sorcerers". The greek word for this is "pharmakeus" meaning "a druggist (pharmicist), i.e. (by extens.) a magician. But if this is true than I had better get to succeeding from my tobacco addiction soon.

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

 

[MysticSang'ha]

My theology is rather different, so my answer is unique to where I would guess Chris Farley is.



The ego and personality of Chris Farley is gone. His body is dead along with his memory. However, I believe his karmic imprint has been reborn as another sentient being. Therefore, I don't believe that he is in heaven nor hell, since he had severely struggled with releasing his attachments, but he displayed no overt wickedness toward others. I believe he has found another incarnation to work it all out.




Peace,
Mystic

 

[MysticSang'ha]

GAH! I'm sorry. My fault for ignoring this thread as being under "Same Faith Debates."




Ignore my last post, please, as it does not belong here. :sorry1:




Peace,
Mystic

 

[Mister_T]

God has given me enough grace to be able to avoid most major addictions

I'm very glad to hear that. It's not an easy thing to avoid.

On top of that, during my four year incarceration, I have watched many of those whom I knew end up back in prison over "falling off the wagon" and having their parole revoked.

As have I. A good buddy of mine who was heavily involved into drugs and gangs gave his life to God after many struggles with both. He was sober for 3 years and he just recently fell back into the drugs again. Even after getting married and having 2 kids. Now he's serving a 4 month sentence for violating his parole.

Good point once again!!! The only reason I might disagree with that is because of a word in Rev. 21:8 which talks about "sorcerers". The greek word for this is "pharmakeus" meaning "a druggist (pharmicist), i.e. (by extens.) a magician. But if this is true than I had better get to succeeding from my tobacco addiction soon.

Perhaps a refrence to drug makers/dealers?

 

[cardero]

GAH! I'm sorry. My fault for ignoring this thread as being under "Same Faith Debates."




Ignore my last post, please, as it does not belong here. :sorry1:




Peace,
Mystic

I almost made the same mistake until I realized that I am a card carrying member.

Becoming a celebrity has a certain influence on an individual. Some people do not know how to handle it. Some people receive so much money for their efforts that they realized that it seems ridiculous to accumulate so much wealth that all they could do is burn it away. It is a moment thing and can eventually become self destructive when one isn't thinking about the future. I never thought Chris Farley to be irresponsible, immoral or malicious. He is just another celebrity who had trouble dealing with fame and fortune.

 

[SoliDeoGloria]

Perhaps a refrence to drug makers/dealers?

Yeah, I thought about that too when I looked at the definition. I just wouldn't want to test it out in my own life and find out that I was wrong in the end if you catch my drift.

I was having a talk to somebody about this and they brought up 2 Cor. 7:10. Do you think it relates to the subject matter?

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

 

[SoliDeoGloria]

GAH! I'm sorry. My fault for ignoring this thread as being under "Same Faith Debates."
Ignore my last post, please, as it does not belong here. :sorry1:

As long as you didn't post anything all that offensive there is no need for an apology.

I almost made the same mistake until I realized that I am a card carrying member.

Becoming a celebrity has a certain influence on an individual. Some people do not know how to handle it. Some people receive so much money for their efforts that they realized that it seems ridiculous to accumulate so much wealth that all they could do is burn it away. It is a moment thing and can eventually become self destructive when one isn't thinking about the future. I never thought Chris Farley to be irresponsible, immoral or malicious. He is just another celebrity who had trouble dealing with fame and fortune.

I don't remember anything about maliciousness being mentioned, but as far as irresponsible and immoral goes, according to the testimony of his family and friends on the autobiography of his life on A&E, it seems like they might disagree with you.

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

 

[cardero]

As long as you didn't post anything all that offensive there is no need for an apology.



I don't remember anything about maliciousness being mentioned, but as far as irresponsible and immoral goes, according to the testimony of his family and friends on the autobiography of his life on A&E, it seems like they might disagree with you.

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

I guess what I am trying to say is that he brought more joy and laughter to people (many he had never even met) which in itself is difficult to the point of being worthy. Much of the irresponsibility was to himself (the drugs, being overweight, the alternate lifestyle). From the interviews I have seen of the people who knew him in the capacity of co-worker or friend, he seems to have been well-remembered as a decent individual. Maybe we have watched two different retrospectives.

 

[Mister_T]

Yeah, I thought about that too when I looked at the definition. I just wouldn't want to test it out in my own life and find out that I was wrong in the end if you catch my drift.

I was having a talk to somebody about this and they brought up 2 Cor. 7:10. Do you think it relates to the subject matter?

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

Absolutley. It could definitely be applied to the topic.

I definitely believe God uses that type of remorse as a disciplinary tool to help straighten us out.