Father and the Son?!??!

[kreeden]

I know, but I believe I know sort of what heaven is like. I believe I have an eternal marriage, which is for time and all eternity. So I believe there are marriages in heaven. That brings me to the point of families and such, in my belief in makes sense.

Personally , I have no idea what awaits us . But your beliefs are comforting Becky , and it would be nice if you are correct .

 

[Bishka]

Personally , I have no idea what awaits us . But your beliefs are comforting Becky , and it would be nice if you are correct .

Thank you, out of a lot of Christian theology, I think the LDS dosctrine and ideas are very comforting. No fire and brimstone hell, eternal families, etc. It suits me the best and I love being a part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

[salam]

[…Since God is able to do all things, He should be able to have a son. However, this claim reduces God to the lowly status of His creation. Creatures procreate by giving birth to mini versions of themselves that later grow up and reproduce copies of themselves, and so on and so forth. Dogs have puppies, cats have kittens, cows have calves, and men have children. So, what does God have – a baby God? Gods must give birth to Gods. But, for God to have a son, there has to exist another God besides Him. It is not befitting for God to have a son as such an act equates Him with His creation.
Everything other than God comes into existence by the commandment of God, not that God becomes His creation or a part of God becomes creation. God does not become His creation nor does God give birth to creation. God is God, the Creator, and man and the contents of the universe are His creation. Although humans cannot grasp the concept of creation from nothing, that is exactly what God did and does. He alone creates from nothing, which is among the attributes that make Him unique and distinct from His creation. His act of creation is entirely different from that of human beings.
This was the essence of the message of all the true messengers and prophets of God sent to humanity – Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad – as well as those sent throughout the world whose names are now unknown to humanity - may God’s peace and blessings be on them all. Today, this precise message can only be found in the Quran; the last scripture revealed by God to humankind. The message remains loud and clear only in the Quran because it has remained unchanged since the time of its revelation, one thousand four hundred years ago, until today.
God states in the Quran for those who make Him like His creation or vice versa:
“…There is nothing similar to Him...” (Quran 42:11)
He also states for those who attributed to Him a son:
“But it is not suitable for Ar-Rahman (the Most Beneficent – God) that He should beget a child.” (Quran 19:92)
He further states for those who believe that He created the world from Himself:
“If He wishes anything to exist, He merely commands it: ‘Be’, and it is.” (Quran 36:82)
For the polytheists He states:
“…There was no other god along with Him, for if there were each would have taken away what he created and tried to overcome the other…” (Quran 23:91)
He asks the atheists:
“Did nothing create them or did they create themselves?” (Quran 52:35)
And in reference to Jesus and his mother, Mary, He confirmed their humanity by saying simply:
“…They both used to eat food…” (Quran 5:75)
The concept of God not becoming man is very important for every human being to grasp because it lies at the foundation of the difference between Islam and all other existing religions. All other religions have a distorted concept of God, to one degree or another. The most important idea which needs to be understood, is that God did not become man. God is unique; He alone deserves to be worshipped by His creation. To believe that a man is God or that a man became God and to worship that man is the greatest sin and the greatest evil that humans can do on this earth. This understanding is most important because it forms the foundation for salvation. There can be no salvation without it. However, this belief alone is not the key salvation. True, correct belief must be translated into practice, and not merely remain in the realm of knowledge, for it to become pure faith. A person has to live a righteous life based on the correct belief to attain salvation. Nevertheless, the starting point is, knowing who God is, knowing that God never became and will never become a human being.]

 

[Sonic247]

I think it's safe to say that Christianity a monotheistic religion, Jesus is called the son because he was born of a women, but was still God. God becoming human shows the incredible love of God, he didn't have to but he sufferred with us, and has felt all the thing that we feel. God becoming a man is not the greatest sin of man it is the great righteousness of God, who has conclude all uner sin (which is a transgression of his commandments which we all have broken) in order that he might have mercy on all. For salvation is by grace through faith, not of works lest any man should boast. Can anyone brag about the righteous life they have led? Not before God.

 

[Hope]

I assume all Christians refer to God being the Father, correct? Let's just leave out the trinity part and think of this. God was the Father, and Jesus was the Son. In order to be a father, you would have had to be a son, correct? So, doesn't that mean God the Father, was once the Son(not Jesus specifically, but A son), and that God the Father has a father?

This goes back to the whole, Well, Who Created God? question. The way I see it, if you say, ok, so-and-so created God, but then you'd have to ask, well, who created so-and-so? And it becomes infinite regression. Our human minds simply cannot grasp the concept of eternal existance that has no beginning. But, no matter if you believe in God or a self-sustaining universe, you have to come to terms with the fact that Someone or Something is eternally existant and has no creator. The "buck has to stop somewhere," so to speak. And as a Christian I believe the buck stops with God. I think that's why it's no accident God calls Himself the great I AM. Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I AM." Quite a profound statement. He simply IS. He simply exists. Always has, always will. In only two short words, "I AM," God reveals to us His eternal existence. And it's only because He IS that we ARE.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

In my Christian history class we were talking about this today.

I assume all Christians refer to God being the Father, correct? Let's just leave out the trinity part and think of this. God was the Father, and Jesus was the Son. In order to be a father, you would have had to be a son, correct? So, doesn't that mean God the Father, was once the Son(not Jesus specifically, but A son), and that God the Father has a father?

Just thoughts...Anyone's view on this? I know this is a LDS Church doctrine, so please no insults on that, but just think about what I said, what do you think about it?

I think it takes the anthropomorphism too far. God is called the Father of all things in Scripture. Unless He's the Father of Himself, He couldn't have once been a Son.
Also, you said that this is LDS doctrine...I thought I had heard that, "As we are the Father once was" was not official doctrine, but only the "as the Father is, we may be"? Did I misunderstand?

 

[MuslimGirl]

Hey,

God is not a father nor a son .. He is the one who created these things .. He doesn't need a son, He doesn't need to be in a human form to know how people feel .. He is the creator, how come the creator be like His creation?
Glorified and Excalted is He from such things.

May God (swt) guide us all.

Have a nice day

 

[herushura]

God is eternal he has no Son, The Father-Son God thing is based on the pagan god
Zeus whom had a son called Dionysus. Dionysus was also crucifed and Zeus was called the Father, most high and most of his title are same as yahwah.

This Crucifed God is not JESUS it is DIONYSUS

Dionysus was the god of Wine, which infact could be a title to jesus who turns water to wine and that his blood is wine. Dionysus Mother was called Semele, and she was impregnation by Zeus while she was a Virgin and she was a mortal.

The Word Sus is a Referral to the god Zeus

Dionysus means "Kouros of Zeus" or "the Son of Zeus"
Sus=Zeus and jesus has a SUS at the end

Copycat religion or what

 

[Heneni]

God is eternal he has no Son, The Father-Son God thing is based on the pagan god
Zeus whom had a son called Dionysus. Dionysus was also crucifed and Zeus was called the Father, most high and most of his title are same as yahwah.

This Crucifed God is not JESUS it is DIONYSUS

Dionysus was the god of Wine, which infact could be a title to jesus who turns water to wine and that his blood is wine. Dionysus Mother was called Semele, and she was impregnation by Zeus while she was a Virgin and she was a mortal.

The Word Sus is a Referral to the god Zeus

Dionysus means "Kouros of Zeus" or "the Son of Zeus"
Sus=Zeus and jesus has a SUS at the end

Copycat religion or what

Not a copy cat religion...only a better product.

Its not hard to see how god took that which the pagans/gentiles were use to believing in, and infact did believe in to gain access to their way of life and present himself to them as their god instead. Has any pagan god...any of the gods you mentioned above, made significant advances in terms of worhiping them in the last thousand years or so?

Are they still alive? Have they been defeated? Has their memory been reduced to history books and archeology? Are they LIVING?

Back to the thread....i have learnt something interesting here, that the LDS folk dont say 'till death do us part' when they get married...so they believe that their marriages will continue for ever and ever even into eternity.

Just a question: What if the person you married turns out to be a monster?....i guess that is why LDS believe everybody should be going to heaven...and i suspect everybody will be changed into reasonably likeable people....I can see how one pattern of thinking must ultimately lead to another. Its good to see what others believe.

Ok..and then there is the father and son thingy...God started all by himself, and started mankind, by creating adam first..

So god didnt have a father himself..or maybe that is what he was trying to tell us...

There is just one problem here.....if god calls us his children....who is our mother?

Wouldnt it be Eve...the mother of all the living...but then our father is adam....the father of all mankind.....and not god the father.

So if we are children of eve and adam...how do we become children of god? By being reborn. Jesus said...you have to be born again. And then who is our mother? The HS...only the holy spirit can produce offspring that are holy.

Heneni

 

[Jack_Ripper]

In my Christian history class we were talking about this today.

I assume all Christians refer to God being the Father, correct? Let's just leave out the trinity part and think of this. God was the Father, and Jesus was the Son. In order to be a father, you would have had to be a son, correct? So, doesn't that mean God the Father, was once the Son(not Jesus specifically, but A son), and that God the Father has a father?

Just thoughts...Anyone's view on this? I know this is a LDS Church doctrine, so please no insults on that, but just think about what I said, what do you think about it?

Hmm... this question seems to be like a on going debate for me. For instance- we would have to keep tracking the members of the family tree, one father and one son after the other.
No insults, but it seems like a useless question to me. What is the need of getting into all this? We've got a religion, so just follow it.