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jasonwill2

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It was meant to support Solipsism, he was the one who stated that the only thing you know is that you are alive (hence I think therefore I am)

No it wasn't meant to support Sophism lol. It just means that your own existence is all that you can be sure of, not that it's the only reality. Solphism would be the extreme of that view, saying the self is the ONLY reality.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It was meant to support Solipsism, he was the one who stated that the only thing you know is that you are alive (hence I think therefore I am)
Actually, Descartes is quite explicitly arguing against such skepticism. Although the actual phrase cogito ergo sum does not appear in the Meditatio II, the argument does. It is an argument against the impossibility of epistemology and absolute skepticism. Descartes addresses this possibility by asking whether some God (aliquis Deus) or something/someone (quocun) is capable of constructing a universe of experience and perception so completely false that nothing whatsoever could be known. He answers this by turning skepticism on itself: "Haud dubie igitur ego etiam sum, si me fallit/At any rate I, at least, consequently am, if [as] I am deceived."

This is merely the starting point, however. Having established (at least as far as he is concerned) that absolute skepticism inevitably falls on its own sword, Descartes proceeds from the one thing he believes cannot be doubted, as the act of doubting requires a cognizer to doubt, and moves on from there to other truths one can glean from cognitive and perceptual faculties.
 
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9Westy9

Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
Premium Member
Confucius

"Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life."

"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it."

"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

"A superior man is modest in his speech, but exceeds in his actions."
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
It was meant to support Solipsism, he was the one who stated that the only thing you know is that you are alive (hence I think therefore I am)

It was a response to an idea floating around in philosophical circles at the time that there were no self-evident truths. This implied that nothing could be truly known: if you dug down far enough, every premise would either be unsupported itself or supported by other unsupported premises. He was trying to come up with self-evident truths to respond to this, and came to the realization that by the mere fact of thinking, he could acknowledge that the agent of those thoughts (i.e. himself) existed.

It actually gets a bit weird when you delve deeper into it to get at what Descartes was saying. I think it's more like "as I think, I recognize that there is an 'I' that is thinking (since the 'I' that is thinking is me), and therefore I can know that this 'I' (i.e. me) exists." When we phrase it like that, I'm not sure I automatically agree with it.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Maybe "support" was a strong word, but what Penguin said. I read it in a book about this guy called 100 Essential Thinkers.
 

Pastek

Sunni muslim
Confucius

"Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life."

I love this one :)


True valour is to do in secrecy what you could just have easily done before others.

La Rochefoucauld.


Suffer rather than die, that's man's motto.

Jean de La Fontaine
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

"Lord we ain't what we should be and we ain't what we gonna be, but thank God, we ain't what we was!" - Martin Luther King, Jr., quoting an old minister.
 

4consideration

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Premium Member
"What are you doing coming home early -- a whole 5 minutes early? I don't know how to handle this. It's never happened before. Now go outside and wait on the porch until you are at least 5 minutes late -- so I know what to say to you." :)

My Dad 1979 (ish)
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
"Hey guys, watch this."

"That was close."


Famous last words lol, probably been said somewhere, I know I've said both mere seconds before dying at least in video games :areyoucra
 
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Knowing others is wisdom;
Knowing the self is enlightenment.
Mastering others requires force;
Mastering the self needs strength.
He who knows he has enough is rich.
Perseverance is a sign of willpower.
He who stays where he is endures.
To die but not to perish is to be eternally present.

tao 33
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
"We have now sunk to a depth at which re-statement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men."

George Orwell
 

Amechania

Daimona of the Helpless
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.~Epicurus
 
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