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Fear of Circumcision

JustGeorge

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It is a abomination in my opinion. Male circumcision seems much less by comparison in a practical sense.
I circumcised my sons. Well, more like I let their fathers decide(oldest child and younger two have different fathers). I had no strong opinion on it myself, and figured I didn't have the equipment to relate, so I'd let those that did decide.

No hesitation with either of them: have it done, they said.
 

SalixIncendium

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I'm recognizing the name brown recluse. I know it from the northern panhandle of WVA (map claims it isn't in WVA). I think I've seen them on trails in Pittsburgh. But I'm not someone who picks fights with bugs. I've had fire ants in Columbus, Georgia and Columbia, South Carolina. I've had infinite manic cockroachs infesting every square inch in Charleston, South Carolina..... but short of peeing on fire ants I've not shown animosity to a bug since my teens. So I never have issues.
I'm familiar with the species. The brown recluse is not aggressive. The only people I've known to suffered their bite are those who have accidentally rolled onto them in their sleep. As is the case with most creatures who "attack" humans.

I've seen the bites. I've never seen an "eat through skin" case. They bite to save their own lives.
 

Dan From Smithville

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I circumcised my sons. Well, more like I let their fathers decide(oldest child and younger two have different fathers). I had no strong opinion on it myself, and figured I didn't have the equipment to relate, so I'd let those that did decide.

No hesitation with either of them: have it done, they said.
There was no discussion and my opinion was not sought. My ex-wife unilaterally decided without my input. Not this particular decision, but that entire position to many aspects of our relationship is part of the reason she is an ex.

I see it as a practice involving the aesthetics of the parents given the child usually doesn't have the ability to voice an opinion. In males, there are pros and cons on both sides beyond aesthetics and religion. Myself, I probably would have decided against it if I were asked, but I haven't heard the boys opinions on the subject as it hasn't come up.
 

JustGeorge

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There was no discussion and my opinion was not sought. My ex-wife unilaterally decided without my input. Not this particular decision, but that entire position to many aspects of our relationship is part of the reason she is an ex.

I see it as a practice involving the aesthetics of the parents given the child usually doesn't have the ability to voice an opinion. In males, there are pros and cons on both sides beyond aesthetics and religion. Myself, I probably would have decided against it if I were asked, but I haven't heard the boys opinions on the subject as it hasn't come up.
I guess with in the case of both of the father's of mine, hygiene concerns took the main stage. Secondarily, there was concern for teasing over being 'different'. Religion didn't come into play at all.

I'm sorry you weren't consulted in your situation.
 

Dan From Smithville

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I'm familiar with the species. The brown recluse is not aggressive. The only people I've known to suffered their bite are those who have accidentally rolled onto them in their sleep. As is the case with most creatures who "attack" humans.

I've seen the bites. I've never seen an "eat through skin" case. They bite to save their own lives.
I know of one case personally. A woman I worked with had been bitten on the forearm.. The tissue beneath the bite died and the skin of her arm sank into the space left behind. It looked like a 2" x 3" dent in her arm about 1/2" deep at the center. The other case was in a child with an extreme hypersensitive reaction to the bite that resulted in organ failure. As horrifying as either is, the latter is extremely uncommon and former, more common, but still not so much. Secondary infections can be an issue, but that is true of almost any bite.

That is the usual case, biting is a last resort action when fleeing isn't possible or fails.
 

Dan From Smithville

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I guess with in the case of both of the father's of mine, hygiene concerns took the main stage. Secondarily, there was concern for teasing over being 'different'. Religion didn't come into play at all.
That is a pro I would have considered followed by the second issue you mentioned. Philosophically, I lean in opposition to making such a decision for someone that doesn't have a voice. The tissue does provide protection to the more sensitive part of the penis and removal can reduce sensation.

I'm personally split over the issue, since the pros seem equally to the cons. But I lean in opposition for the philosophical issue.

Your way at least lets those with more personal familiarity and "expertise" have the greater weight in arriving at the final decision without bailing on it or deciding without consulting.
I'm sorry you weren't consulted in your situation.
Thanks. It was just one example of an attitude I did not share and ultimately could not be sustained. It happens and you learn to live with it and do better.
 

Dan From Smithville

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I've seen the eat through the skin a number of times.
Most animal venoms are complex mixtures of different types of toxins, but the brown recluse has predominantly necrotoxins that destroy cells and tissues. The damage can range and is dependent on a number of factors and can range from simply the classic symptoms of pain, swelling, redness and heat to localized necrosis or more widespread tissue damage.

It is all fascinating, but it probably knowledge that contributes to unnecessary fear perhaps.

If you are observant when it is important and practice good hygiene where they may exist, it will eliminate most problematic encounters.

Last week, while moving a box in our warehouse, I felt something on my neck. I brushed rather than scratched or slapped and dislodged a large female recluse that must have been on the box somewhere and had crawled onto me. No bite. Good thing too. My neck would have been a problem area to get a bite.
 

Onasander

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Most animal venoms are complex mixtures of different types of toxins, but the brown recluse has predominantly necrotoxins that destroy cells and tissues. The damage can range and is dependent on a number of factors and can range from simply the classic symptoms of pain, swelling, redness and heat to localized necrosis or more widespread tissue damage.

It is all fascinating, but it probably knowledge that contributes to unnecessary fear perhaps.

If you are observant when it is important and practice good hygiene where they may exist, it will eliminate most problematic encounters.

Last week, while moving a box in our warehouse, I felt something on my neck. I brushed rather than scratched or slapped and dislodged a large female recluse that must have been on the box somewhere and had crawled onto me. No bite. Good thing too. My neck would have been a problem area to get a bite.
Oh warehouse, great. I haven't seen one in the one I've been working in, but that place has dirt built up on some shelves since the Vietnam War. I'm not joking about the age, some clean boxes on dirty shelves were 15 years old.
 

Dan From Smithville

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Oh warehouse, great. I haven't seen one in the one I've been working in, but that place has dirt built up on some shelves since the Vietnam War. I'm not joking about the age, some clean boxes on dirty shelves were 15 years old.
Just be careful and observant. I have had them get on me in a number of different circumstances with no issues as long as I didn't hit them or trap them.

I worked for the state as a naturalist while in college. One evening while I was preparing for a park program, my boss came into the office. She said, "Hold still" and then flicked something on my forehead near my right temple. I didn't even look up. Just said, "Brown recluse?" Her response was, "Yeah. A little one".

The office was in an old CCC cabin constructed in the 30's like many if not most of the park buildings. They were infested with a healthy population of brown recluse spiders that we sort of co-existed with. You learn not to swat everything that tickles your skin.
 

Dan From Smithville

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Oh warehouse, great. I haven't seen one in the one I've been working in, but that place has dirt built up on some shelves since the Vietnam War. I'm not joking about the age, some clean boxes on dirty shelves were 15 years old.
@John53 lives in a place where many creatures with dangerously powerful and exotic neurotoxins hang out and they still manage to get on.

I'm not sure about the cantaloupes there, but I'd keep a watchful eye just in case they tingle at you.
 
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