TurkeyOnRye
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Do you fear your potential personal power to significantly alter your reality? Does this fear keep you from breaking ground? Are there legitimate dangers when exploring the ocean of the mind?
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Fear of potential personal power
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1) Not much. I kinda hope for it, I guess.
2) To some degree, although I can't say I notice that often, if at all.
3) I must assume that there are. On the other hand, there are far greater dangers in not doing so. The safety of ignorance is ilusory.
2) To some degree, although I can't say I notice that often, if at all.
3) I must assume that there are. On the other hand, there are far greater dangers in not doing so. The safety of ignorance is ilusory.
I cannot alter reality, so no fear, no. Reality is always "what is".
TurkeyOnRye
Well-Known Member
Is this 'fundamentally' true though? Is this not along the same lines as "I cannot change."? What if we 'can' significantly alter our perceptions at will? Is there a responsibility in this that we may not want to accept? What are the implications of opening up to perspectives that are far, far beyond convention?
"I cannot change" implies to me that things remain stagnant in one moment of time. That's not how I view reality. Regardless that things change, reality is always "what is." Regardless that things change, current things are always "what is."
Reality is here and now.
Noaidi
slow walker
If entheogens are used, then yes, the alteration of reality can be fearful. The point is to learn from the experience.
TurkeyOnRye
Well-Known Member
I can understand that. Perhaps I should change the way I am phrasing my words. How about "What fears prevent us from significantly altering our sense of things in reality?"
When (our sense of) things in reality is not significantly altering over time, that could be termed a Buddhist-like "permanence." Yet they stress that all is impermanence, and this I tend to agree with (as it suits my observation of reality).
So the significant fears I would see in this are ones that relate to impermanence (i.e. death, destruction, end, death) of permanence. When these things can be seen in light of their role in our participation in the illusion of permanence... then we have a step in the right direction.
On the other hand, if you're just asking if I fear moving forward in some aspects of my life, the answer is an unequivocal yes. Heck, illusions exist.
I need some sleep.
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Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Hi TurkeyOnRye, there is nuance in the understanding of the meaning of fear. It can range from anxiety to awe, and/or a combination of these emotions.
Reminds me of the saying,.."Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread",...yes IMHO there are so called dangers to be faced when the mind begins to unfold to reveal its awesome depths. Spiritual unfoldment ultimately concerns the evolutionary transition from human being to .....Being, and this implies that the ego consciousness of human being will disappear during the process.
The danger is that if the disciples physiological, neurological, psychological, and intuitive foundation is not sufficiently sound to begin with, the trials and tribulations that accompany the spiritual unfoldment which brings an end to ego consciousness may create extremely difficult karmic repercussions in the short term which are too much for the unprepared soul to bear.
This whole question rests on a whole lot of assumptions that are, frankly, not necessary. First of all, one's awareness of the "power to significantly alter reality" stems from a destruction of the ego illusion, at which point, "fear," "you," and "personal" are all meaningless words. So, come to think of it, is "reality."
Peacewise
Active Member
No, I love my personal power to significantly alter my reality. At times I have altered it to a negative state, yet because it is my power I have always been able to change to being positive.
The state of fear certainly can make me hesitate to break new ground, yet eventually I always face that fear and break the ground.
There certainly are dangers when exploring the ocean of the mind, when that exploration is done in a way that focuses upon negative states the exploration can lead to a depressed mind state that creates and then reinforces a negative feedback loop and leads to further negativity and so on - the danger is in not recognising this, whereas if one becomes aware this is happening the danger vanishes and one is then able to alter to a positive exploration and affirm the positive rather than live the negative over and over.
To be entirely fair, if you rid yourself of the notion that there is a separation between "positive" and "negative" then there can be no reason for fear. Though at the same time, action then becomes moot. Although legend says that the first thing the Buddha did after achieving Enlightenment was try to find a nice, quiet place to die.