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are you righteous, are you like the Messenger or the Salafs. Do you do all that is required of you. So how are you safe from it. How do you know you are righteous.john313 said:
Wow! Do not see the need to make dua to keep you away from the fire.
the particular thing we were discussing about isa telling us to be perfect, to strive for perfection.Mujahid Mohammed said:
that is a pretty broad question. in many courtrooms across the world the truth is considered false and lies are considered true.
i do what i believe God wants me to do, i constantly strive for perfection through spiritual, mental, and physical exercise-it does not matter if you win or lose, it is how you play the game. i do not claim to be 'righteous' or like the prophets, but i try to be as much like they would be today as possible. this whole world was created only for a testing ground, i only strive to be a perfect servant.
and again i was saying you have no way in knowing if he made the statement due to the alteration of the text.john313 said:
So stop saying that Issa said to stive to be perfect when you have no way of verifying if he even said it.
as I told you explain this verse along with the verse of Surah Imran verse 85. Also explain what Allah says to Issa on the Day of Judgment when he admonishes him for the worship of him and his mother. you cannot use to term Christian and Jew referring to these groups we have today. He is referring to a specific group of them. Living in the time of their messenger and supported them. Because if that is the case then the Jews and Christians have nothing to worry about and then there is no reason to give them the message. Read the tafsir on this ayat
I am not talking about people ideas of truth. I am talking about the truth of Muhammed and Allah's relgion and his word. that is the basis of truth and the standards of truth we are to represent in our lives and the lives of others.I am talking about the validity of their religion compared to ours based on evidence.
And how do you know what that is. do you just think whatever you want or did the Creator give you something complete as a mercy and a messenger to live by in terms of his example.
One of the things one needs for this is the fear of the fire. you are not promised it just by being muslim. You have to fear the fire and the day of Judgment. what is the evidence One of the best dua's in the quran is Surah imran:16,surah imran:191,surah Furqan:65-66,surah momin:7, and the many, many, many duas of the Muhammed where he is seeking refuge in Allah from it. Are you better than him where you feel you do not have to ask. these duas are what the most righteous of mankind performed and did regularly. if you strive as you say to be a perfect servant do not think that seeking refuge in Allah from hellfire is not neccessary for you and myself who are far worse than they are. If anything wisdom should show you that we should actually be doing more than them. To say you do not need to ask Allah to save you from something that you have no idea whether or not you are gonna recieve it or not is borderline arrogant. When times get rough or things get difficult why ask for anything or make dua if it is already destined. Be careful. I am not saying you are arrogant but anyone who claims he does not need to ask Allah for refuge from the one thing the Messenger came to warn us about. I don't know man, may Allah give you a softer heart and increase you in your knowledge of the Qur'an and seek refuge in Allah from what brings the ultimate humiliation. Be humble, seek the mercy of Allah from the punishments.
Fear is used in Islam as a tool to insure people perform good deeds.john313 said:
it is only one part. there is also the reward. all various teaching systems are built upon this type of system in one way or another.Timewarp said:
Only for the muslims.
it seems you do not know what the muslim description of hellfire is. Insha Allah maybe I will post the different descriptions of Jahannam.
It is not wrath. It is a system of justice. If someone had rights over you like your parents for instance. when you or anyone else who is raised in the house of their parents commits a wrong or an injustice set up on the principles they have created and mandated for you. Is is wrathful and veangeful when you get punished or is it justice. The person who has rights over you tells you to do something and says if you do this you will be punished. that is justice. Every criminal in america knows the punishment for their crimes and we call it a justice system. (that is laughable) But Allah's system of Justice is perfect for he is the Just. His Justice knows no limit. does not the one who created you and created everything you know in existence for you, have all the rights. i mean if you create a product and get a patent do you not own ALL THE RIGHTS to that product. think about it.
I agree somewhat but it is not to make life better in a way yes but the essense is the get one to Jannah. Because not everyone is promised a long life. but everyone is promised either Jannah or Nar.
so by your logic, george washington did not exist because it is not verified in the quran and you have never met him in person, so you do not really know he existed.Mujahid Mohammed said:
i just read what the quran says. there are 7 meanings to each ayat, so limiting yourself to 1 meaning seems quite restricting and will severely limit spiritual growth.
i choose not to live in fear, and according to the quran if i am a righteous believer and do good works, i do not need to fear the fire.
What does George Washington existence have to do with the validity of some statements supposedly said by Jesus in the Bible. What is the Evidence is all i referring to. do you have evidence that he said that.john313 said:
Please give me the 7 meanings to which you prefer. I have many other ayats saying the same thing 5:14-19,2:120, 2:135-139, 5:51-53,5:68-77.
no problem if you choose to not live in fear then you choose to live contrary to the Prophet and his companion I will pray for you if you do not wish to pray for yourself, Asalamu alaikumi choose not to live in fear, and according to the quran if i am a righteous believer and do good works, i do not need to fear the fire.
peace
-sorry for the short reply but i have to get going
i was simply showing the extent of the logic you were using for your decision making. george doesn't have much to do with anything anymore, except in grade school history class.Mujahid Mohammed said:
what could be a more important job than living to praise the creator of all things. also there is the fact that it is in the gospels, does not contradict anything in the quran, and makes perfect sense. Allah loves those who strives for perfection. Allah has promised paradise to those who are righteous and do good works. if one believes and follows the word of Allah, there is no reason to fear the fire. the only reason to fear is if one intends to continue sinning and harboring evil in one's heart. there is also the letter of james in the bible that says something like: 'one who is guilty of breaking any part of the law is guilty of all' (i have not read it in a while, but that is basically what it says). there have been christian preachers who wanted this letter taken out of the bible because it is anti-pauline and it is islamic since james was muslim. but it basically says we should try to become perfect. this letter is excellent reading and has a lot of good knowledge in it and i would recommend it to all, it is anti-paul, since james, the religious successor to jesus, was against paul and his anti-islamic teachings, hence the murder of james......
everyone is entitled to their opinion. thank you for the prayers, we could all use extra prayers, but there are many who need them worse than i, like the innocent people being killed everyday and those starving to death while our neighbors are gluttons. there needs to be some peace in the world sometime soon, my du'as are getting too long
(direct order)"Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden like that which Thou didst lay on those before ,us; (nations and prophets before us) our Lord! lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; help us against those who stand against Faith." (Quran 2:286)
My Logic, This is your logic you are the one who brought George into this. All i am saying is if the bible has been changed severly how can you use it as a viable source for any of your discussion. Yet you keep quoting Jesus from the bible. How this is what we were discussing correct or not. whether or not Jesus said that we are to be perfect. when it is a impossibilityjohn313 said:
If what you say is true then there would have been no reason to bring the quran. The bible states Sulaiman was a witch. The bible states Lot had sex with his daughters. The bible says Jacob stole the wife of a man and none of these statements as you say contradict the Quran. Brother the bible contradicts itself as well as the Jewish scriptures from which it supposedly came from yet you say it Does not contradict anything in the Quran. tha is amazaing. When the bible says Jesus is your lord I guess that doesn't contradict anything in it.
there are some islamic things in it. But there is alot of kufr in it as well. People need a little truth inorder to fully believe the lie. So if this is sufficient for you then stop reading quran and study the bible since it is the above all truth to you. And as you say does not contradict the Quran
Yeah people are entitled still does not make them correcteveryone is entitled to their opinion. thank you for the prayers, we could all use extra prayers, but there are many who need them worse than i, like the innocent people being killed everyday and those starving to death while our neighbors are gluttons. there needs to be some peace in the world sometime soon, my du'as are getting too long
peace
