Female Christ in arts

[madhatter85]

Think of the time back then...

Women were 2nd class citizens.
Black Peopel were 2nd class citizens.
Nobody would have written about a woman who claimed to be a prophet, she woudl have been called a crazy old woman or a witch and then stoned to death.

same thing for a black man. he would have never been written about like that.

merely because of the day and age when christ was here.

 

[zombieharlot]

When I write "a mother" I mean "a mother" not "the mother" or "all mother". All the people in my social circles think that, without discussions, the love of the mothers is greater than a man can give. Although naturally, it can have exceptions, but I hope that all agree in that it is not normal. You can interpret what I write as you want, but I think that you are not a serious person with whom to discuss. And your arguments offend my intelligence. By the way, I think that the religion would have of being an average one for people to find love, peace and harmony, but not find psychic problems instead. I do not see that you that as much you speak of the love, really you are looking for the love and the peace. I believe that you are on way to look for psychic problems in name of the love. Please, respect my belief if I want believ that a woman has greater ability to give love than a man. You offend my intelligence if you try to demonstrate that my belief is mistaken. In this forum they are many people that have many religions, but nobody has tried to convince that I am mistaken except some "Christians". Although my parents are Christian, I arrived to leave the Christianity when I was 14 years old. And I send some reasons of why.
20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity
Please, I do not wish to maintain discussions with you, I think that your disccussions and arguments do not lead to anything interesting or positive. I hope really that you find the love and the peace, but ..... I think that your discussions are not a good way to obtain it.
Love and peace

Everyone in your social circle holds the same belief? No wonder you seem so offended by me because you're so used to everyone going along with what you have to say that when you come across someone who disagrees, "they must not know what they are talking about". Your unwillingness to discuss with me shows nothing but pride and conceit. You seem to believe that I am simply not worth your time. You believe that your beliefs are right. Therefor, you should have some firm legs to stand on (especially considering that my arguments "insult" your intelligence). So why would you want to brush me aside rather than enlighten me to your ways? The latter is certainly the more noble action to take.

I also find it funny that you seem to be making assumptions about me and my intentions based on the fact that my religion says, "Christian". However, I too left Christianity when I was fourteen. And from then on I despised it, disregarded it, and never gave it a second chance. I did that for years. And in that time I wore women's clothing, carried a purse, and put on makeup. Why? Because no one seems to be willing to accept the love and compassion I have for them. And so I became jealous of the other gender. However, I've recently decided that I am going to prove that I can hold that same love and compassion for the world in my manhood rather than dress and hide it with insecurity.

When we love someone and do good deeds for them, our bodies actually release chemicals that make us feel good - regardless of gender. Our bodies live for and are designed to love. We strive for it and find purpose in it. So by saying that a male cannot love as much as a female is to belittle the purpose and importance of the entire male population. And in such, the purpose and importance of the entire female population is also belittled because our bodies (yours, mine, and the rest of the male population's) are meant as a compliment to the female body. And in the same way, the female body is meant as a compliment to the male body. Our bodies are designed for each other, so to say that one is not important is to insult the other as well. My mother raised me by herself since I was seven and her love for me is incomplete without my father. Our love is designed to compliment each other, not outweigh each other. So why not compliment each other with love rather than focus on who loves more?

 

[female11]

Everyone in your social circle holds the same belief? No wonder you seem so offended by me because you're so used to everyone going along with what you have to say that when you come across someone who disagrees, "they must not know what they are talking about". Your unwillingness to discuss with me shows nothing but pride and conceit. You seem to believe that I am simply not worth your time. You believe that your beliefs are right. Therefor, you should have some firm legs to stand on (especially considering that my arguments "insult" your intelligence). So why would you want to brush me aside rather than enlighten me to your ways? The latter is certainly the more noble action to take.

I also find it funny that you seem to be making assumptions about me and my intentions based on the fact that my religion says, "Christian". However, I too left Christianity when I was fourteen. And from then on I despised it, disregarded it, and never gave it a second chance. I did that for years. And in that time I wore women's clothing, carried a purse, and put on makeup. Why? Because no one seems to be willing to accept the love and compassion I have for them. And so I became jealous of the other gender. However, I've recently decided that I am going to prove that I can hold that same love and compassion for the world in my manhood rather than dress and hide it with insecurity.

When we love someone and do good deeds for them, our bodies actually release chemicals that make us feel good - regardless of gender. Our bodies live for and are designed to love. We strive for it and find purpose in it. So by saying that a male cannot love as much as a female is to belittle the purpose and importance of the entire male population. And in such, the purpose and importance of the entire female population is also belittled because our bodies (yours, mine, and the rest of the male population's) are meant as a compliment to the female body. And in the same way, the female body is meant as a compliment to the male body. Our bodies are designed for each other, so to say that one is not important is to insult the other as well. My mother raised me by herself since I was seven and her love for me is incomplete without my father. Our love is designed to compliment each other, not outweigh each other. So why not compliment each other with love rather than focus on who loves more?

I will only say..... AMEN!

 

[Booko]

You're missing some poll options, including this:

Depicting Christ as female makes as much sense as depicting Socrates as female.

 

[Booko]

Think of the time back then...

Women were 2nd class citizens.
Black Peopel were 2nd class citizens.

Think back? Honey, that time is still now.

 

[Nanda]

Think back? Honey, that time is still now.

Heh...I was trying to count all the minority groups I belong to today. I almost forgot "women," the largest minority in the world. So large we're actually the majority...

 

[madhatter85]

Think back? Honey, that time is still now.

true, and it is very unfortunate. I'm color/gender blind so it's hard for me to understand why people do this.

 

[SoyLeche]

You're missing some poll options, including this:

Depicting Christ as female makes as much sense as depicting Socrates as female.

Put my vote on this option.

 

[Booko]

true, and it is very unfortunate. I'm color/gender blind so it's hard for me to understand why people do this.

Yeah, Stephen Colbert is that way too.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I have a blog about the subject female Christ in arts by some artists. The blogg has polls, images, opinions and numerous links to interesting sites that can help to know better the thema. The link is:
Female Christ in arts
I would wish to know if some member of this forum is interested in the subject and what you think about this. It is important for me, the participation in the poll that there is in the beginning. Please click update if you can´t to see it.
WARNING!!! The blog has half naked women.

I'm curious, is there a religion that worships Christ as a women?

 

[female11]

I'm curious, is there a religion that worships Christ as a women?

No, at the moment.... that I know, but if existed a religion about the female Christ crucified, I was going to be first in participating, only if the religion does not request money. Because I think that a good religion must to be thus:
"loves all, but.... not to the money of them!"

 

[female11]

Heh...I was trying to count all the minority groups I belong to today. I almost forgot "women," the largest minority in the world. So large we're actually the majority...

I agree, I think that you are right. A question, what religions value the woman so much than the man?

 

[eudaimonia]

I agree, I think that you are right. A question, what religions value the woman so much than the man?

I doubt that any religions except for those created in the past two centuries do this.

but if existed a religion about the female Christ crucified, I was going to be first in participating

Why would you do this if you are an atheist?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[female11]

I doubt that any religions except for those created in the past two centuries do this.



Why would you do this if you are an atheist?


eudaimonia,

Mark

Because, I adore the beauty and a female Christ is too beautiful for not to adore her. I speak of art, but I don´t know if the art can be considered some type of religion.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

OK, since there is no religion that worships a female Christ, then it is not religious art. At best maybe it is iconographic art. Ergo, any discussion of such does not have it's place in a religious debate forum.

 

[female11]

OK, since there is no religion that worships a female Christ, then it is not religious art. At best maybe it is iconographic art. Ergo, any discussion of such does not have it's place in a religious debate forum.

For an atheist, a male Christ and a female Christ has the same value, because for an ateist this one is only art. But I know that they are many christians that are lesbians, feminists and also men that like the figure of Christ as woman. This is religion for them. Do you think that they do not have right to being Christian?

 

[lilithu]

For an atheist, a male Christ and a female Christ has the same value, because for an ateist this one is only art. But I know that they are many christians that are lesbians, feminists and also men that like the figure of Christ as woman. This is religion for them. Do you think that they do not have right to being Christian?

If it's feminist Christians who are depicting Christ as female then I say good for them. Imo, they can do whatever sincerely brings them closer to God. If otoh, it's atheists who are depicting Christ as female and then trying to justify it from the outside, then I say "What's your real agenda and can't you find something else amuse yourself rather than intentionally twisting a sacred symbol for so many?"

The idea of a female Christ does not bother me in the slightest. But the idea of people using someone else's sacred symbolism in order to titillate or inflame does bother me.


btw, altho it may be hard to believe these days, controversy and art are not the same thing.

 

[female11]

If it's feminist Christians who are depicting Christ as female then I say good for them. Imo, they can do whatever sincerely brings them closer to God. If otoh, it's atheists who are depicting Christ as female and then trying to justify it from the outside, then I say "What's your real agenda and can't you find something else amuse yourself rather than intentionally twisting a sacred symbol for so many?"

The idea of a female Christ does not bother me in the slightest. But the idea of people using someone else's sacred symbolism in order to titillate or inflame does bother me.


btw, altho it may be hard to believe these days, controversy and art are not the same thing.

I think that you are too self-centered. If I´m fascinated by the figure of the crucifed Christ as woman, others are not going to prevent to me, my fascination because they think that it is sacred. If you eat cow meat, do you think about the millions people in India that they prefer to die of hunger before to eat their cows, because they believe that the cows are "sacred animals"? You can´t demand that this one that is sacred for you, must be sacred for all. But, it does not mean that I not respect your beliefs. Please, let me believe what I will.

 

[zombieharlot]

Please, let me believe what I will.

Lilithu has all the right to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the point is that, as an atheist, you don't believe in anything. And as such, this whole, "female christ," thing is nothing more than a twist on an established religious figure for nothing more than the sake of controversy.

 

[female11]

Lilithu has all the right to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the point is that, as an atheist, you don't believe in anything. And as such, this whole, "female christ," thing is nothing more than a twist on an established religious figure for nothing more than the sake of controversy.

You are mistaken. I understand the concept of atheist who does not believe in God (a=not, theos=God) but I translate the concept to not believe in mythology. If you know something on the physiology of the nervous system, you are going to understand that most of our perception of the world can be concept like beliefs. But I hope that you can understand that the religion that you have seen since you were born in your limited social circle, is not the unique in the world, and they are more Gods for another people that need believe in their Gods like you need believe in your God. I think that you have not understood the important thing:
You can´t demand that this one that is sacred for you, must be sacred for all. But, it does not mean that I not respect your beliefs.