Fermi Paradox and God

[CynthiaCypher]

Enrico Fermi poised this paradox in regards to the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations: Given the high probability that life could exist elsewhere in the universe, where the heck are they and why haven't they been in contact with us?

So others both scientist and non-scientist have sought to resolve the paradox with various hypothesis. I will give you some examples:

1. There are no other extraterrestrial civilizations.

a. Either they never developed, therefore they can't contact us.
b Or they destroyed themselves or were destroyed in in a cataclysm.

2. They might exist but we are unable to discern any meaningful evidence of them.
a. The extraterrestrials are just to alien for us to discern.
b. They are not close enough to discern any evidence.

3. They are just too busy to bother contacting us.

4. They have chosen not to communicate for a variety of reasons.
a. Their code of ethics could make it so that the believe that any interference is wrong.
b. They could be in disagreement amongst each other as to whether they should communicate.

5. We are our living in an observational zoo and they just want to see how life on this planet is going to develop.

6. They have deliberately hidden themselves from us in order to observe us.

So where do the gods come in, well I think we can apply just about everyone of those hypothesis to the gods as to why we have no evidence for the gods. Maybe they don't exist, maybe they are too busy and too far away, maybe they just want to observe us and not interfere so they hide themselves from us. Or maybe they died or just left us.

 

[LuisDantas]

The most likely answer to Fermi's supposed paradox IMO is simply that astronomical distances are way too big for evidence of other lifeforms to ever be found.

As for gods, it was always so clear to me that they are and can only be human creations that I don't really see a parallel.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

The most likely answer to Fermi's supposed paradox IMO is simply that astronomical distances are way too big for evidence of other lifeforms to ever be found.

As for gods, it was always so clear to me that they are and can only be human creations that I don't really see a parallel.

I can and have said the same thing about the gods; maybe they are too distant for us to discern. They could be on another plane of existence such as the Arupa Bhumi or they could exist in another universe.

 

[LuisDantas]

I can and have said the same thing about the gods; maybe they are too distant for us to discern. They could be on another plane of existence such as the Arupa Bhumi or they could exist in another universe.

Why assume that gods exist at all except as a human creation, though?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Why assume that gods exist at all except as a human creation, though?

Same could be said about our extraterrestrial friends.

 

[Koldo]

So where do the gods come in, well I think we can apply just about everyone of those hypothesis to the gods as to why we have no evidence for the gods. Maybe they don't exist, maybe they are too busy and too far away, maybe they just want to observe us and not interfere so they hide themselves from us. Or maybe they died or just left us.

What do you mean by 'gods'?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Enrico Fermi poised this paradox in regards to the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations: Given the high probability that life could exist elsewhere in the universe, where the heck are they and why haven't they been in contact with us?

So others both scientist and non-scientist have sought to resolve the paradox with various hypothesis. I will give you some examples:

1. There are no other extraterrestrial civilizations.

a. Either they never developed, therefore they can't contact us.
b Or they destroyed themselves or were destroyed in in a cataclysm.

2. They might exist but we are unable to discern any meaningful evidence of them.
a. The extraterrestrials are just to alien for us to discern.
b. They are not close enough to discern any evidence.

3. They are just too busy to bother contacting us.

4. They have chosen not to communicate for a variety of reasons.
a. Their code of ethics could make it so that the believe that any interference is wrong.
b. They could be in disagreement amongst each other as to whether they should communicate.

5. We are our living in an observational zoo and they just want to see how life on this planet is going to develop.

6. They have deliberately hidden themselves from us in order to observe us.

So where do the gods come in, well I think we can apply just about everyone of those hypothesis to the gods as to why we have no evidence for the gods. Maybe they don't exist, maybe they are too busy and too far away, maybe they just want to observe us and not interfere so they hide themselves from us. Or maybe they died or just left us.

I think you forgot:

7. They are unable to contact us
a) Not advanced enough in technology.
b) They have no way to communicate (perhaps they are non-vocal)
c) They have advanced technology yet it is so different from our's that we'd never hear their messages
d) Can't enter Earth's atmosphere without dying.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

What do you mean by 'gods'?

Well as Webster's defines them.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I think you forgot:

7. They are unable to contact us
a) Not advanced enough in technology.
b) They have no way to communicate (perhaps they are non-vocal)
c) They have advanced technology yet it is so different from our's that we'd never hear their messages
d) Can't enter Earth's atmosphere without dying.

And we are made of meat too. I forgot that one.

lTHEY'RE MADE OUT OF MEAT!

I think all but 7.a could apply to the gods too.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I don't think the Fermi Paradox is necessarily grounded in true assumptions. Our observations make everything seem like it is all about us. We are at the center of our observations. Fermi's Paradox includes our observational bias that its about us. Maybe it just isn't about us, and maybe that answer is enough to explain why no one has come.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I don't think the Fermi Paradox is necessarily grounded in true assumptions. Our observations make everything seem like it is all about us. We are at the center of our observations. Fermi's Paradox includes our observational bias that its about us. Maybe it just isn't about us, and maybe that answer is enough to explain why no one has come.

That's very interesting. Maybe we are not the stars of the show. We could be boring.

 

[Brickjectivity]

That's very interesting. Maybe we are not the stars of the show. We could be boring.

I hadn't thought of it like that. Could we become more interesting, or how could we guarantee that we'd be interesting to anyone that looked our way?

 

[Sees]

We are primarily at 98.7 FM whereas aliens, Bigfoot, dwende, ghosts, Gods, etc. are primarily lower or higher and only certain times and places is there a "thin veil" where frequencies converge in a way. Or so some people have believed for a long, long time....

 

[CynthiaCypher]

We are primarily at 98.7 FM whereas aliens, Bigfoot, dwende, ghosts, Gods, etc. are primarily lower or higher and only certain times and places is there a "thin veil" where frequencies converge in a way. Or so some people have believed for a long, long time....

Not all the universes should be playing from the same rulebook as our universe does. In our you universe we have beings who can observe wave function and hold concepts. But in other universes it could be a completely different set of rules, there could be universes where concepts are beings or where wave functions are life forms. What would we perceive these types of beings as, if we were able to perceive them?

 

[Sees]

Not all the universes should be playing from the same rulebook as our universe does. In our you universe we have beings who can observe wave function and hold concepts. But in other universes it could be a completely different set of rules, there could be universes where concepts are beings or where wave functions are life forms. What would we perceive these types of beings as, if we were able to perceive them?

Orbs? :thud:

Let me consult the Oracle.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

I think this paradox is assuming too much. If there are intelligent alien species (and I believe that there are), why assume they have the technology to contact us? We could very easily turn the question around on ourselves: why haven't we contacted alien life? If we can assume that there is intelligent alien life elsewhere in the universe, I think it would be illogical to assume that it has advanced, technologically, vastly more than we have. I would think that the evolutionary process on other planets would probably have taken place at much the same rate. If this idea is correct, then I think it's safe to assume that, provided that another intelligent lifeform exists elsewhere in the universe, it's probably not much different, technologically, than us.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I think this paradox is assuming too much. If there are intelligent alien species (and I believe that there are), why assume they have the technology to contact us? We could very easily turn the question around on ourselves: why haven't we contacted alien life? If we can assume that there is intelligent alien life elsewhere in the universe, I think it would be illogical to assume that it has advanced, technologically, vastly more than we have. I would think that the evolutionary process on other planets would probably have taken place at much the same rate. If this idea is correct, then I think it's safe to assume that, provided that another intelligent lifeform exists elsewhere in the universe, it's probably not much different, technologically, than us.

They also may be more technologically advanced than us and in different galaxies. Who knows. We've just barely begun exploring our backwoods neck of the Milky Way.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

They also may be more technologically advanced than us and in different galaxies. Who knows. We've just barely begun exploring our backwoods neck of the Milky Way.

I like to think of earth, in terms of universal intelligent lifeforms, as the trailer park of the universe. (ok, humor time over)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I like to think of earth, in terms of universal intelligent lifeforms, as the trailer park of the universe. (ok, humor time over)

Lol. I remember a comedienne talking about that and she said that Earth is probably the Alabama of the universe and the only value aliens would see in it is as a rest stop.

 

[Sees]

Lol. I remember a comedienne talking about that and she said that Earth is probably the Alabama of the universe and the only value aliens would see in it is as a rest stop.

Time for some Lynyrd Skynyrd