Few Observations

[Quetzal]

Over the last few weeks, a lot has gone on in regard to politics. These are a few observations that I have made so far. Executive orders. I am not a fan of them, period. They are very scary, potentially dangerous tools that if used incorrectly can cause a lot of harm. The unfortunate reality is that Trump has taken this tool and run with it. Allowing him to take unilateral, unchecked control through actions from his own branch of power.

If these policies were to come to fruition through the proper channels, vetting and voting procedures, there isn't much of an argument there. My representatives that were elected in my state and district would be representing me. As it stands, they aren't. Not through any fault of their own, they simply aren't given an opportunity to do so. The best they can do is retroactively put the gears in place to repeal the orders later. Unfortunately, that does not stop the immediate impact.

I need to be clear, many may think these executive orders are addressing topics in a way they feel is correct. That is fine, but without the process of checks taking an active role in politics, it allows these ideas to be expanded, created, or destroyed from one branch of government with little to no rebuttal from the others. There was a huge uproar with the Obama administration and his executive orders. Some of which are justified, but those same champions of state rights are unsurprisingly silent as their knight sweeps political action through his creative process alone.

My main argument is not against the policies, but the unilateral, unchecked manner in which they are being implemented.

 

[bobhikes]

They are not being unchecked the federal courts have already gotten involved. Trump is not doing anything illegal as of yet. He is allowed to challenge the courts or have congress pass a law and still be legally doing his job. The courts can still defeat his challenge or the law. He can then get an amendment passed. Of course we could get an amendment passed to defeat his amendment or law if upheld by the courts.

You got to love all the checks and balances in our Government. What ever Trump accomplishes can be undone by the next president if he wishes and everyone else allows it.

 

[Brickjectivity]

If it continues I'll agree, but the executive orders issues are security decisions and budget management. A president does have control of certain aspects of the budget. The presidential branch has a lot of power, so the executive orders reflect that. Congress can stop him at any time, and so can the Supreme court. This should be a warning to state governments that they need to have a meeting and fix some things. I think they should amend the constitution to return some powers to the states. I agree that a centralized authority was good for a time and helped eliminate segregation and create a central bank, social security etc. Of course there are things only a central government can do, but its getting out of hand when the central government is like a chicken with its head cut off. We shouldn't be so worried about who the next president is and whether he'll takeover or not.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

They are not being unchecked the federal courts have already gotten involved. Trump is not doing anything illegal as of yet. He is allowed to challenge the courts or have congress pass a law and still be legally doing his job. The courts can still defeat his challenge or the law. He can then get an amendment passed. Of course we could get an amendment passed to defeat his amendment or law if upheld by the courts.

You got to love all the checks and balances in our Government. What ever Trump accomplishes can be undone by the next president if he wishes and everyone else allows it.

"What ever Trump accomplishes can be undone by the next president if he wishes and everyone else allows it."

Yes, laws can be reversed; however, the damage that those laws cause cannot be so easily reversed.

 

[Quetzal]

They are not being unchecked the federal courts have already gotten involved.

Hi Bob, thanks for the reply. My point is that the damage done in the meantime has the potential to last. The federal courts are being reactive on something that, if done through the proper channels, wouldn't need to be done at all. Further, the representatives would be involved and it would give the folks at home a channel to communicate. As it stands now, it just isn't happening.

 

[bobhikes]

Hi Bob, thanks for the reply. My point is that the damage done in the meantime has the potential to last. The federal courts are being reactive on something that, if done through the proper channels, wouldn't need to be done at all. Further, the representatives would be involved and it would give the folks at home a channel to communicate. As it stands now, it just isn't happening.

Change is the only constant, nothing lasts forever even the damage done. I am looking at this as a learning experience for the masses. If we learn something it is worth it.

My son was asked by his teacher if he could go back in time would he kill Hitler. He said no. The teacher question him on why. He said we learned so much from the tragedy and without that someone worse could be born. I was proud.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

What ever Trump accomplishes can be undone by the next president if he wishes and everyone else allows it.

That kind of up-and-down, when people's lives are literally in the balance, is never a good thing. Not only that, but it reduces our leadership at the highest level to spite.

 

[omega2xx]

Over the last few weeks, a lot has gone on in regard to politics. These are a few observations that I have made so far. Executive orders. I am not a fan of them, period. They are very scary, potentially dangerous tools that if used incorrectly can cause a lot of harm. The unfortunate reality is that Trump has taken this tool and run with it. Allowing him to take unilateral, unchecked control through actions from his own branch of power.

If these policies were to come to fruition through the proper channels, vetting and voting procedures, there isn't much of an argument there. My representatives that were elected in my state and district would be representing me. As it stands, they aren't. Not through any fault of their own, they simply aren't given an opportunity to do so. The best they can do is retroactively put the gears in place to repeal the orders later. Unfortunately, that does not stop the immediate impact.

I need to be clear, many may think these executive orders are addressing topics in a way they feel is correct. That is fine, but without the process of checks taking an active role in politics, it allows these ideas to be expanded, created, or destroyed from one branch of government with little to no rebuttal from the others. There was a huge uproar with the Obama administration and his executive orders. Some of which are justified, but those same champions of state rights are unsurprisingly silent as their knight sweeps political action through his creative process alone.

My main argument is not against the policies, but the unilateral, unchecked manner in which they are being implemented.

They are not unchecked permanently. Some of Obama EO were taken to court and were overturned.

 

[Quetzal]

They are not unchecked permanently. Some of Obama EO were taken to court and were overturned.

Yeah, it just takes time. In that time frame though, is where my concern lies.

 

[Quetzal]

Change is the only constant, nothing lasts forever even the damage done. I am looking at this as a learning experience for the masses. If we learn something it is worth it.

I will disagree with you here, but let's agree to disagree, shall we?

 

[sayak83]

Over the last few weeks, a lot has gone on in regard to politics. These are a few observations that I have made so far. Executive orders. I am not a fan of them, period. They are very scary, potentially dangerous tools that if used incorrectly can cause a lot of harm. The unfortunate reality is that Trump has taken this tool and run with it. Allowing him to take unilateral, unchecked control through actions from his own branch of power.

If these policies were to come to fruition through the proper channels, vetting and voting procedures, there isn't much of an argument there. My representatives that were elected in my state and district would be representing me. As it stands, they aren't. Not through any fault of their own, they simply aren't given an opportunity to do so. The best they can do is retroactively put the gears in place to repeal the orders later. Unfortunately, that does not stop the immediate impact.

I need to be clear, many may think these executive orders are addressing topics in a way they feel is correct. That is fine, but without the process of checks taking an active role in politics, it allows these ideas to be expanded, created, or destroyed from one branch of government with little to no rebuttal from the others. There was a huge uproar with the Obama administration and his executive orders. Some of which are justified, but those same champions of state rights are unsurprisingly silent as their knight sweeps political action through his creative process alone.

My main argument is not against the policies, but the unilateral, unchecked manner in which they are being implemented.

Is the US currently in a State of War? If so, does the power of the President become far greater under this situation?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Change is the only constant, nothing lasts forever even the damage done. I am looking at this as a learning experience for the masses. If we learn something it is worth it.

My son was asked by his teacher if he could go back in time would he kill Hitler. He said no. The teacher question him on why. He said we learned so much from the tragedy and without that someone worse could be born. I was proud.

That is a horrible excuse to be thoughtless and reckless with people's lives.

 

[bobhikes]

That is a horrible excuse to be thoughtless and reckless with people's lives.

I'm honestly starting to believe Trump is a Godsend. Hillary would have created a larger divide at the next election. These peoples feeling were not going away. The Next election you may have gotten a Trump like person with Military ties, Political ties, Foreign Ties and Business Ties. Trump has none of these. He is the best solution that could of been elected. He has an uphill battle all around.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I'm honestly starting to believe Trump is a Godsend. Hillary would have created a larger divide at the next election. These peoples feeling were not going away. The Next election you may have gotten a Trump like person with Military ties, Political ties, Foreign Ties and Business Ties. Trump has none of these. He is the best solution that could of been elected. He has an uphill battle all around.

Wait, did you just say Trump has no foreign and no business ties?

This is how Trump got elected.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I'm honestly starting to believe Trump is a Godsend.

Some god. Trump has caused a greater divide in our nation than I've ever seen. His policies are dangerous and short-sighted, his cabinet is dangerous and biased; I mean, for [REDACTED]'s sake, the Secretary of Labor underpays people, the Secretary of Education has no [REDACTED] clue about education, no experience, and no plan. And the chairman for the environmental committee doesn't believe in science or scientific advice because "god can change it in an instant." That. Is. Insane. Trump is a child, and worse yet he's a child with nuclear weapons and a Twitter account.

He is the best solution that could of been elected.

Senator Sanders would have been a far better president. I am very thankful that he continues to fight for the rights of the people. That he actually cares enough to show up to protests and marches, rather than just Tweeting his support. That he actually cares about more than himself.

 

[bobhikes]

Wait, did you just say Trump has no foreign and no business ties?

This is how Trump got elected.

I don't see it. He got elected because of a middle class revolt. Most Business people considered him a joke at first sure they got on board when he started winning but if he steps out of line they will abandon him. As to foreign ties I know of none proven.

 

[bobhikes]

Some god. Trump has caused a greater divide in our nation than I've ever seen. His policies are dangerous and short-sighted, his cabinet is dangerous and biased; I mean, for [REDACTED]'s sake, the Secretary of Labor underpays people, the Secretary of Education has no [REDACTED] clue about education, no experience, and no plan. And the chairman for the environmental committee doesn't believe in science or scientific advice because "god can change it in an instant." That. Is. Insane. Trump is a child, and worse yet he's a child with nuclear weapons and a Twitter account.


Senator Sanders would have been a far better president. I am very thankful that he continues to fight for the rights of the people. That he actually cares enough to show up to protests and marches, rather than just Tweeting his support. That he actually cares about more than himself.

Senator sanders was not one of the choices and he supported Hillary who wanted nothing to do with the deplorables. Being that Senator Sanders so quickly went to the Hillary Camp against his own supporters how exactly would he have been any better.

 

[Kirran]

Senator sanders was not one of the choices and he supported Hillary who wanted nothing to do with the deplorables. Being that Senator Sanders so quickly went to the Hillary Camp against his own supporters how exactly would he have been any better.

He endorsed Hillary when she ran against Trump, that hardly means he went to her camp.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I don't see it. He got elected because of a middle class revolt. Most Business people considered him a joke at first sure they got on board when he started winning but if he steps out of line they will abandon him. As to foreign ties I know of none proven.

You didn't see that the billionaire business tycoon has business and foreign ties?

 

[bobhikes]

He endorsed Hillary when she ran against Trump, that hardly means he went to her camp.

And his supporters heartfully support that decision? Was he being a regular politician or a man of the people?