"fierce war on this evil principle of democracy"

[Scuba Pete]

Deut is as subtle as a baseball bat up side the head. I kinda admire him for that and cringe at the same time.

But as I pointed out in other threads and as Deut has pointed out here, we have these guys pegged as "insurgents and terrorists". They see themselves ( and us) in a much differentlight than we do. They refer to themselves as jihadists and Freedom Fighters and such... and they refer to us as the Great Satan and such. I must say, that if were occupying my country, I would be feeling much the same!

Bring our kids HOME!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Deut is as subtle as a baseball bat up side the head. I kinda admire him for that and cringe at the same time.

You've proven yourself to be more than adequate in dealing with me.

They refer to themselves as jihadists and Freedom Fighters and such... and they refer to us as the Great Satan and such.

Those who consciously fight for theocracy and against the principle of democracy are no more freedom fighters than are the facist Baath resistance, and they do not become freedom fighters by virtue of the illegitimacy of our actions.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I most heartily agree with you on that Deut. I was not portraying them as I see them, but as how THEY SEE THEMSLEVES. Granted, I have not talked to a single one so these are merely empathetic deductions were I in their place.

You've proven yourself to be more than adequate in dealing with me.

That is indeed high praise! Thanks! But sometimes, i find ducking is the best defense! Like I said, I do admire you for your candid speach. Every now and again, I find myself making a point and thinking, you would have made it about the same way. Like the response I gave in the right to life thread. I can't remember what exactly I said, but I reminded me of you.

 

[Andra130]

Good grief ... :biglaugh:

Wow, the egocentrism is unnerving...
And as for Anders... I hardly think that this particular individual deserves the amount of deification you seem to be administering. I suppose it is time to move on to another thread.
Peace.

 

[TheIdealist]

I understand that the Iraqi Freedom Fighters are having a heck of a time with the terrorists who have occupied their country.



Let's face it, no matter how noble our intentions, that's how they perceive us. It's time to bring our kids back home.

Iam sure there are some that percieve us terrorists but i can promise you its not even close to the ones that see us as brothers helping our family become free, I spent quite a bit of time over there and it would devistate alot of soldiers and marines including myself to walk away now and watch the surrounding countries pour in on them and crush there dreams once again.

Whether we agree with the war starting or not its to late we are already there and now it has become our duty to help these people become independant just because they are not our country men does not make us exempt from rising up to help them we share the same planet. It would be murder of the masses for us to leave now.

I understand people wanting there family and friends home. I also understand there probably was not much to do with noble intentions when it began and there is probably

still not noble intentions at the top but there is among the troops there are some who complain and speak out making it look worse than it is but i can promise most of us enjoy helping whether we admit to or not. We understand dying for the betterment of mankind not just americans. We all knew what we were getting into.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I suppose it is time to move on to another thread.

I'll miss you.

 

[Scott1]

Bring our kids HOME!

Amen to that!:jiggy:

 

[Scuba Pete]

For what it's worth...

I have NOTHING BUT PRAISE AND ADMIRATION FOR OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.

I can not say the same about the people who put them in harm's way.

 

[TheIdealist]

For what it's worth...

I have NOTHING BUT PRAISE AND ADMIRATION FOR OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.

I can not say the same about the people who put them in harm's way.

I could tell from your previous post, And that is one thing we all agree on but we have to step out of our boxes here and realize there are other people that matter the iraqi people are good people they deserve a chance to have freedom and if it takes 2000 americans to bring 3 million people freedom so be it . If you or I were in their shoes its something you would be praying for everyday someone to give you the chance to have a proper place to raise your family and watch them grow knowing everything is gonna be alright. Were there its time to put our selfishness aside no matter how hard it will be. Are we gonna make it worth those lives already lost or are we gonna bring everyone home only to lose many more precious lives of people that we share this earth with?

 

[Yerda]

What bothers me the most are not the subtle grammatical faults for which we are all guilty nor the common spelling errors but rather the stream of consciousness mindless liberal mini-tirades that bewail the insufficient appreciation of the very obvious fact that the sky is falling due to the machinations of the evil empire headed by the diabolical oil cartel and the insideous religious right while apathetic america sits back and watches its football games and drinks it beer instead of rising up and taking responsibility for our lousy stature in the civilized world especially when it is near universally recognized that things would have been qualitatively better with Kerry dropping the bombs instead.

Nice one. I'm stunned by your words again.

BTW, Duet, how do you hyperlink pieces of text? If saw you do it a few times and was curious.

Re: evil principle of democracy

The people who profess such beliefs are often those clinging to powerful positions, like military persons or religious authorities and for obvious reasons see democracy as a threat to their continued hegemony. I fail to see how every single fighter can be opposed to democratic reform.

 

[Scuba Pete]

and of course, put in the right text and url!

 

[Yerda]

Thanks man.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

I fail to see how every single fighter can be opposed to democratic reform.

I fail to see how anyone for democratic reform would be blowing up Iraqi women, children, and policemen, and kidnapping the families of Iraqis attempting to run for office, and otherwise doing everything in their power to prevent democratic reform in Iraq.

You don't have to be a military or religious leader to oppose democratic reform...you could just as easily be a fanatical religious zealot.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I fail to see how every single fighter can be opposed to democratic reform.

These are not freedom fighters.

 

[Yerda]

I fail to see how anyone for democratic reform would be blowing up Iraqi women, children, and policemen, and kidnapping the families of Iraqis attempting to run for office, and otherwise doing everything in their power to prevent democratic reform in Iraq.

I see my error, the people promoting and partaking of such actions are not fighting for democracy, or if they are they're going about it in an ill advised manner. Thank you for your input.

I wonder what average Iraqis think about democracy.

You don't have to be a military or religious leader to oppose democratic reform...you could just as easily be a fanatical religious zealot.

I don't believe those are requisites for hostility toward democracy either.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

I wonder what average Iraqis think about democracy.

I remember posting a link in another thread a long time ago to a gallup site that said that most Iraqis support democratic reform and an independent judiciary. I don't know if I can find it now.

 

[Sunstone]

Because the average Iraqi has not lived under democracy, they might want it, but not know how to go about having it.

 

[TheIdealist]

The iraqis do want freedom just like every human being wants to be free, the people we are fighting over there for the most part have been raised in schools called mashrads, taught that only by a livinga life continually fighting off the evil westerners who threaten there very existence and that martyrdom is the greatest rank ever acheived. These kids are brainwashed and being shipped in from pakistan to palistine and egypt to libya. The iraqis are fighting off all these people constantly. For every american that dies no less than 10 iraqis are killed fighting the same people