psychoslice
Veteran Member
Obamacare, what a joke that was.
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Finally. Good riddance to Obamacare.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
20 million Americans don't think so because they have it, plus they are supported in their opinion by millions more who actually do think that all Americans should have basic health-care coverage.
tytlyf
Not Religious
What experience did you have when you signed up for the ACA?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
My experience with the ACA, other than getting insurance, was when I went to the website to sign up, more or less, my experience can be summed up as "your Republican-lead state has opted to make this harder on you than it has to be or should be."
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If you don't know already, then I guess I can't elaborate any better.
Bottom line is dealing with abuse and gouging of the system. That's what needs to be looked at and addressed.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Opinions are one thing, life & death matters are another.
In the early 2000's, the Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard Universities had separate studies with the same conclusion, namely that roughly 40,000 Americans died each year prematurely because they didn't have health insurance.
Is the well-being of our fellow Americans important? To me they are? We went to war after 9-11 because 3000 Americans were tragically killed, so what about the life of 40,000 Americans?
I have health insurance, so what I'm writing here is not self-serving. What I feel important is to have a society that actually cares about each of us as individuals enough to try and help those who are not in a position to help themselves.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Let me elaborate on why I don't see how any of that would help and perhaps you will be able to explain to me where my reasoning went wrong.
You mentioned co-ops as a possible solution. And I do agree that co-ops have a bigger bargaining power than individuals and that's because they represent multiple people. But in Obamacare you have a MUCH bigger group. Much bigger than any co-op may hope to achieve and that gives it that much more bargaining power. So, I don't really see how co-ops could make the prices go down significantly.
You also mention optional payroll deductions, but you don't explain how those would lead to a reduced price.
And at last, you mention oversight by independent groups, but you don't get into specifics about the powers that such groups would have. Assuming all the data about the healthcare industry was made available to them, how would that in itself lead to a reduced price ? It wouldn't.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You bring up some good points matched with some good questions.
What I am hoping will happen is that Congress, with Trump's support, will come up solutions to fix the ACA versus just scrapping it with nothing or just a band-aid to replace it. However, I'm not very optimistic about that happening, especially since the Republicans have not been able to agree on much of anything even between themselves on this.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
No worries, Trump will take care of that, just relax.
tytlyf
Not Religious
How would you know about the ACA if you didn't bother to sign up? What was your experience signing up for the ACA that makes you hate it so much?No worries, Trump will take care of that, just relax.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
While I appreciate the semantics of a caring society, I figure it's about as caring as the invoices that soon follow afterwards along with any fees and penalties for the lack of caring to make on time payments as fast as the automated systems can muster.
Everyone is privileged and entitled to health care.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Seems that way.
Yet you seemed to disagree in your post.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
I didn't say I hate anything, I Just like Trump and I believe he will do the job well, that simple.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Caring isn't just "semantics"-- at least I don't take it as such. It's unfortunate that you focus on money versus people's lives with the above. We have the potential to fix the money situation but we can't fix those who die prematurely.
So, with me, fix the ACA-- yes. Just eliminate it without any fix-- no.
tytlyf
Not Religious
This is what you said.
I said, what experience did you have with the ACA that led you to that conclusion?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No. There will be a fix. I dunno why people think it will instantly go poof overnight. Lol There of course will be a process of phasing in and out over time things that require changing.
I just maintain a realistic sterile approach to the way it is for these arguements. People do and will consider money vs lives and either is right or wrong in general terms.
Sometimes money has to win over lives, it must, and others under certain circumstances, it's clearly lives over money.
People will not then, nor ever will offer services without money to fuel that honorable ambition of saving lives.
Sometimes doctors will perform services free of charge, God bless them, but like anything along those lines, it's not something that is going to be commonplace for clear and obvious reasons en masse.
Guess the trick to it all is an equilibrium by which decisions must be made that involve life and economic sustainability to prevent the proverbial entire ship from going down.
"Death" panels. . ugh. Do I need to say it?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm hoping that this is going to happen as well, but I'm not as optimistic that it will be effective both in terms of coverage but also in terms of dollars. If the cost containment factions of the ACA were to be repealed, and this includes the mandates, two non-partisan economic analysis have it that costs will skyrocket.