esmith
Veteran Member
Well let me put it this way. If you own a car and do not have insurance you are breaking the law; If you can afford health insurance and do not sign-up for Obamacare you are breaking the law.
Read it any way you want.
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Finally. Good riddance to Obamacare.
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Read it any way you want.
I am fine with it, so long as there are some options for the folks who are dependent on Obamacare. That is, if his team comes up with a better, more efficient system first, then give ACA the axe! I am cool with that. But that needs to come first, if that makes sense. I just don't want to see those folks left high and dry.
Although you do have to pay taxes for roads even if you do not own a car.
If a person is responsible to have insurance for themselves, then they should have the right to know what goes into their bodies. But since the government are playing Daddy, and so then they should be responsible for our health insurance as well.
Curious George
Veteran Member
That is fair. The next question, do you believe that Healthcare needs reform now and needed reform prior to Obamacare.
Price fixing is legal in the medical industry. ACA is a step towards reversing that, but it is very buggy. The software is also buggy. No matter who controls congress they had better build on it, or they are not going to impress me. They may repeal or whatever, but medical care is currently only for the very wealthy. The rest of us have debt-care.
esmith
Veteran Member
I believe that prior to Obamacare it needed reforms; however Obamacare was a pipe dream that needs reforms.
I also believe that if people ignore medical professional opinions on how to keep themselves healthy I have little or no sympathy for them and they should be responsible for their own care and not burden others with conditions that they brought on themselves. Right now the one of the most common health issues facing the US is overweight and obesity. Being overweight and or obese increases your chances of dying from hypertension, type 2 diabetes, coronary heart disease, stroke, gallbladder disease, osteoarthritis, sleep apnea, respiratory problems, dyslipidemia and endometrial, breast, prostate, and colon cancers. Source
Being harsh in this opinion, but every-time you turn around you see and increasing number of obese people that seems to not have any self respect when it comes to what they look like. Yes, I know that there are medical conditions that can cause that. But I don't think that is the major cause. Next time you are out in public look around. It's not only adults but an increasing number of children.
Sorry about that just another pet peeve of mine.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You don't have to own a car.
Is it mandatory that everyone without a car must buy other people their car insurance? Should cars themselves be made mandatory?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No. But I do mind as to how people structure it.
What's the point of even having coverage if the deductible itself arguably requires an insurance to pay for it in it's own right? What's next? Deductable insurance?
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It is still mandatory. And the "it only applies to those who drive" kind of proves my point, because everyone goes to the doctor (and should do so more often than just when ill).
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Nobody should ever have to pay for someone else's private insurance coverage.
People don't do that for car insurance, nor should people do that for any insurance company.
Not a very good comparism to make if you ask me.
Especially since the costs involve a profit benefiting the provider. Hardly healthcare concerns are at the table when profit is factored in. I'm not aware of any non profit insurance companies. Have you?
Why in the world should people pay to profit any organisation?
And Democrats call Republicans capitalist.
Oh well.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Take one look at the VA healthcare system for our own vets. Apply generalized healthcare to civilians a zillion fold and and wa la! "0)
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
My father was in the Battle Creek VA for two years as he had Alzheimer's, and they did a far better job than the two private nursing homes he was in prior to his stay there.
Secondly, a large part of the VA's problem has been under-funding, especially due to the Republican policy of "starve the beast" that led to terrible back-ups during the Bush administration that is gradually being fixed by the current administration.
Republicans are really "good" at sending our men and women into combat but not when they come back home all battered.
esmith
Veteran Member
One positive does not necessarily indicate that the whole is positive.
The problem is accountability. We have always seen that in the public union sector that accountability is not always the first priority.
Example you want? OK
Another VA problem? Union workers
Koldo
Outstanding Member
'No' as in 'I would be fine with a single-payer system' or 'No' as in 'I would certainly oppose a single-payer system' ?
Please do clarify what you meant.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Every system has problems. It is important to weight the pros and the cons.
I am a Trumpster and actually have messages with one Trump surrogate from time to time who has been on Fox and Friends and radio shows and who worked on his campaign.
There might be some confusion as to what is going on here regarding Obamacare.
Yes, Obamacare will be replaced, but in it's own time and actually the top priority needs to be lowering taxes and building the wall.
Right now we have some GOPe establishment Republicans yapping about immediate "repeal" of Obamacare. If you follow this, you will find this is coming from some establishment Republicans including NeverTrump whose main agenda is cheap labor, open borders, and to NOT build the wall.
Here is what in part is really going on, and Trump will not be fooled by it.
These cheap labor interests want to try and walk Trump into a field of landmines right off the bell to distract from lowering taxes and, most important to the cheap labor interests, to delay or sabotage the wall entirely.
The idea is to waste all of his time in a "repeal of Obamacare" that is purposely designed to be a field of landmines, waste all time so there is no time to build a wall, cause damage to his administration, those behind this have no intention of "repealing and replacing" or "fixing" Obamacare, rather they want to cause a disaster and an endless mess going on for years that will thus deflate the tires on any other agenda.
But Trump knows this. It isn't Trump's plan to fall for this distraction and sabotage. Obamacare will be replaced with Trumpcare that will be on the terms of his Republican base and not on terms of this cheap labor crowd and their shady agenda to try and hurt the Nationalists. So just fyi. There is some tricksterism going on behind the scenes. No one is going to get the Trump administration to rush into a landmine field as part of a sabotage.
There might be some confusion as to what is going on here regarding Obamacare.
Yes, Obamacare will be replaced, but in it's own time and actually the top priority needs to be lowering taxes and building the wall.
Right now we have some GOPe establishment Republicans yapping about immediate "repeal" of Obamacare. If you follow this, you will find this is coming from some establishment Republicans including NeverTrump whose main agenda is cheap labor, open borders, and to NOT build the wall.
Here is what in part is really going on, and Trump will not be fooled by it.
These cheap labor interests want to try and walk Trump into a field of landmines right off the bell to distract from lowering taxes and, most important to the cheap labor interests, to delay or sabotage the wall entirely.
The idea is to waste all of his time in a "repeal of Obamacare" that is purposely designed to be a field of landmines, waste all time so there is no time to build a wall, cause damage to his administration, those behind this have no intention of "repealing and replacing" or "fixing" Obamacare, rather they want to cause a disaster and an endless mess going on for years that will thus deflate the tires on any other agenda.
But Trump knows this. It isn't Trump's plan to fall for this distraction and sabotage. Obamacare will be replaced with Trumpcare that will be on the terms of his Republican base and not on terms of this cheap labor crowd and their shady agenda to try and hurt the Nationalists. So just fyi. There is some tricksterism going on behind the scenes. No one is going to get the Trump administration to rush into a landmine field as part of a sabotage.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
If corporate/business taxes are lowered, are you willing to make up the difference in lost revenues? And if the wall is to be built, are you willing to pay for that as well as we're dealing with building almost 2000 miles of wall?
And do you honestly believe Mexico is going to pay for that wall? Hey, he's already changed his "tune" on that.