Finally! More Young Americans Accept Evolution than Believe in Creationism...

[prometheus11]

not interested in debunking religion.....I ain't got one
Too much creation to say there is no Creator

Two, too many rainbows to not believe in goblins and pots of gold. Rightyo

 

[Revoltingest]

not interested in debunking religion.....I ain't got one
Too much creation to say there is no Creator

That would make for one huge creator....too big to be practical.

 

[Aset's Flames]

Haha,,,,I think it is the other way round...if atheists were satisfied in their belief there was no God....that would be it,,,what possibly more could they learn about God to make there belief more satisfactory....I think they can only keep their belief afloat against the inherent intuitive subconscious knowledge that God is, by repeating the mantra....

No, it is quite the opposite.

When your religion says that faith, beileif without evidance, is a good thing then who is being delusional?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Applying that line of thought to other things, then relativity isn't observable either.
It seems we're using different definitions of "observable".
What about using the word "detectable" instead?

No detection implies some direct measurement....dark energy is invisible and undetectable by any present technology....dark energy exists beyond the 5% detectable stuff of the universe....they are working on it at CERN's Large Hadron Collider....

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...e-to-probe-dark-energy-and-supersymmetry.html

 

[Revoltingest]

No detection implies some direct measurement....dark energy is invisible and undetectable by any present technology....dark energy exists beyond the 5% detectable stuff of the universe....they are working on it at CERN's Large Hadron Collider....
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...e-to-probe-dark-energy-and-supersymmetry.html

Nah....eggheads say how to detect it.....
https://kicp.uchicago.edu/research/structures/snf/de-detection.html
Here's how you can even go about detecting it do-it-yourself style.....
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/417243/how-to-build-a-dark-energy-detector/

 

[prometheus11]

No detection implies some direct measurement....dark energy is invisible and undetectable by any present technology....dark energy exists beyond the 5% detectable stuff of the universe....they are working on it at CERN's Large Hadron Collider....

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...e-to-probe-dark-energy-and-supersymmetry.html

You do realize, don't you, that by your metric, Gravity is also unobserved and undetected! Bwahahahaha. So hilarious.

 

[prometheus11]

I've told you that I am agnostic, I don't give a bloody sh## what you narrow-mindedly believe in. Jerk!

Gnosticism deals with esoteric knowledge.

Theism deals with belief.

Many agnostics are theists because they claim no esoteric knowledge. Many agnostics are atheists because they do not believe in any partcular God, nor do they claim to have any spiritual knowledge.

You can be a wife and not a mother. You can be an agnostic and not an atheist.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Nah....eggheads say how to detect it.....
https://kicp.uchicago.edu/research/structures/snf/de-detection.html
Here's how you can even go about detecting it do-it-yourself style.....
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/417243/how-to-build-a-dark-energy-detector/

Well when you have detected it, tell me what's it made of....and I want some...

 

[prometheus11]

Well when you have detected it, tell me what's it made of....and I want some...

Are you saying that you can't detect gravity? Because dark matter and dark energy are PRECISELY as detectable and KNOWN and UNDERSTOOD as gravity.

You can only say that dark energy is undetected if you say that gravity is undetected.

If you claim that gravity can be detected but dark energy can't be detected, then you are a lying hypocrite.

Gravity and dark energy are both detectable and detected by their observation.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You do realize, don't you, that by your metric, Gravity is also unobserved and undetected! Bwahahahaha. So hilarious.

Adolescent strawman....you said dark energy was not invisible and hence directly detectable...do you still think so?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Are you saying that you can't detect gravity? Because dark matter and dark energy are PRECISELY as detectable and KNOWN and UNDERSTOOD as gravity.

Let us put this claim out there for anyone to respond to....all I have to say to you is that your scientific knowledge is so pitiful that I could not be bothered with a time waster....

 

[Revoltingest]

Well when you have detected it, tell me what's it made of....and I want some...

Now you're asking too much.
Think of it as this strange stuff which is detectable, but other than that, not understood.
I'm sure it doesn't taste like bacon though.

 

[prometheus11]

Adolescent strawman....you said dark energy was not invisible and hence directly detectable...do you still think so?

Please, explain how gravity is more understood and detected than dark energy.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Please, explain how gravity is more understood and detected than dark energy.

Note that gravity is a known theoretical force while Dark Energy is a hypothesized unknown form of energy.....see the difference?

Gravity or gravitation is a natural phenomenon by which all things with mass are brought towards (or 'gravitate' towards) one another including stars, planets, galaxies and even light and sub-atomic particles.. .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity

Dark Energy is an unknown form of energy which is hypothesized to permeate all of space, tending to accelerate the expansion of the universe ......https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

 

[prometheus11]

Note that gravity is a known theoretical force while Dark Energy is a hypothesized unknown form of energy.....see the difference?

Gravity or gravitation is a natural phenomenon by which all things with mass are brought towards (or 'gravitate' towards) one another including stars, planets, galaxies and even light and sub-atomic particles.. .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity

Dark Energy is an unknown form of energy which is hypothesized to permeate all of space, tending to accelerate the expansion of the universe ......https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

Precisely. We know about the same amount and to the same degree, if we are guessing properly and scientifically. They are as close to fundamental principles as you get, which means they are obviously present with mathematically understood interactions with other fundamental forces.

We know those forces exist. We don't know why and we know almost nothing about how they operate. They do, tho.

Be as skeptical of gravity as you are of dark energy and dark matter, it's the only logically consistent viewpoint round here.

How is that fact detrimental to your position?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Precisely. We know about the same amount and to the same degree, if we are guessing properly and scientifically. They are as close to fundamental principles as you get, which means they are obviously present with mathematically understood interactions with other fundamental forces.

We know those forces exist. We don't know why and we know almost nothing about how they operate. They do, tho.

Be as skeptical of gravity as you are of dark energy and dark matter, it's the only logically consistent viewpoint round here.

How is that fact detrimental to your position?

So you do not understand the difference between known and unknown...dark energy is a hypothesis....the understanding and application of gravitational force in technology is a part of human history....what technological development has come from the present understanding of dark energy?...zilch... You are a certainly a case...

 

[prometheus11]

You are quite adept at missing the point, aren't you.

Each of the three are phenomena in nature extremely well understood by mathematical modeling of their interactions with other fundamental forces. We haven't a very good idea how any of them work.

To remain logically consistent with yourself and with the mathematical models available on these three, you should trust and doubt their existence in equal degree.

So, how does admiring this fact affect your position?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You are quite adept at missing the point, aren't you.

Each of the three are phenomena in nature extremely well understood by mathematical modeling of their interactions with other fundamental forces. We haven't a very good idea how any of them work.

To remain logically consistent with yourself and with the mathematical models available on these three, you should trust and doubt their existence in equal degree.

So, how does admiring this fact affect your position?

What... ...are you referring to gravity, dark energy, and dark matter as the three phenomena in nature that are extremely well understood by mathematical modeling of their interactions with other fundamental forces?

 

[prometheus11]

Should someone shove a crayon in your fist and help you write it out on a big sheet of butcher paper?

Again, how does admitting this fact affect your position.

More silliness and I'll leave you to your presumptions.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Should someone shove a crayon in your fist and help you write it out on a big sheet of butcher paper?

Again, how does admitting this fact affect your position.

More silliness and I'll leave you to your presumptions.

You are not making any scientific sense....which three phenomena, and which other fundamental forces are involved in what interactions?....you do not know what you are talking about....just nonsense...