While i'd prefer Aron Ra, i doubt we'll get him. So i'd be totally fine with you being the official Grand Pope of Atheism.
Long live the Grand Pope!
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Fine Tuning argument / The best argument for the existence of God
- Thread starter leroy
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While i'd prefer Aron Ra, i doubt we'll get him. So i'd be totally fine with you being the official Grand Pope of Atheism.
Long live the Grand Pope!
Subduction Zone
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Whoa!! Wait a second. I said that I was free next weekend. This needs to be a rotating job. I don't think Aron Ra would want it full time either. Perhaps a schedule of some sort could be arranged. Pope until death is too much for me.
It doesn't have to be until death. It could be until "ice cream sunday" or something of the sort.
And yes, there's an important atheist holiday called "ice cream sunday."
leroy
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Don't worry nobody was expecting a direct answer from you anyway.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Please, this is a falsehood on your part. I gave a direct answer. The fact is that you are not able to understand right now why your arguments fail. I offered to help you to learn the basics so that you could understand your errors. People have continually given you "direct answers" and you have not understood them (I am not going to far as to say that you lied about them).
I am still willing to cover the basics with you.
That's actually pretty hilarious coming from the guy who doesn't understand the difference between arguments, evidence or proof. You've conflated each more than once in this thread. This puts doubt into your ability to sufficiently convince us that you're capable of arguing in a debate.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And I it is pointless to "debate" with someone that does not understand the basics. They will never understand the refutations given to them and will simply deny them. Purposeful ignorance is a defense mechanism for deniers of science.
leroy
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I gave you a source explaining the argument in detail...... I am just asking you to spot your specific points of disagreement so that we can comment on them
Am i asking for something too extreme?
leroy
Well-Known Member
What makes you think that i don't understand the difference between arguments evidence and proof?
Can you quote any comment where used any of those therms in an erroneous way?......... Ohhh wait you are an atheist you dont support your false accusations....
This thread. Especially the OP.
The OP.
Ohhh wait you are a theist you don't support anything. Accusations or otherwise.
Arguments aren't evidence. See, you're doing it again.
Here it is for you in plain speech: Your arguments don't matter. They are poorly thought out. So is William Lane Craig's. What you need is evidence, not more weak arguments.
Your OP counts as an unsound syllogism. It doesn't even NEED refutation.
leroy
Well-Known Member
Ohhhh so thats why you never refute any of the arguments......
You don't really need to refute an unsound syllogism. That's how flawed your argument is.
leroy
Well-Known Member
Ok quote the exact text and explain why is my use of those terms wrong.....
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, the argument was refuted in "great detail". As has been pointed out it is just a version of the "God of the Gaps" argument. Your posts indicate very strongly an inability to understand the basics of evidence and logic. Until the basics are understood the refutations cannot be understood.
leroy
Well-Known Member
Ok which of the premises you think is wrong and why?
100% of it. I won't quote an entire post, thank you very much.
All of it because it's an unsound syllogism.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Now now, let's not be dishonest. Why do you run away from learning the basics? Is it because you know that you would not have a leg to stand on once you do?
1. The fine-tuning of the universe is due to physical necessity, chance, design, or it was pooped into existence by yours truly.
2. It is not due to physical necessity, chance or design.
3. Therefore, it is due to being pooped into existence by yours truly.
This SHOULD demonstrate why your OP is flawed.
2. It is not due to physical necessity, chance or design.
3. Therefore, it is due to being pooped into existence by yours truly.
This SHOULD demonstrate why your OP is flawed.