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First Amendment protects only those who exercise the Second

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
You can guess that my point is not support for becoming heavily armed. But rather it's a comment on the need for regime change this November. And, of course, that it's not the behavior of a few people in the crowed but purely political gaslighting on his part to excite the base.

In Trump’s America, the First Amendment protects only those who exercise the Second


Anarchists in Oregon who hate their country are trying to set fires and destroy federal property? Hmmm.

Steven and Dwight Hammond, also from Oregon, were convicted of arson for a fire that burned 139 acres of federal property in the state. A witness testified that Steven Hammond handed out matches with instructions to “light up the whole country” after his hunting party illegally slaughtered animals on federal land. Their imprisonment sparked an armed takeover of federal property in Oregon for 41 days in 2016 by dozens of militia-affiliated gunmen.

And what did Trump think of these arsonists who destroyed federal property and wanted to burn down America? Why, he pardoned them in 2018, calling them “devoted family men” and “respected contributors to their local community” for whom “justice is overdue.”

We have seen this pattern over and over.

In Washington’s Lafayette Square, across the street from the White House, federal police operating under the administration’s command fired gas and projectiles at peaceful demonstrators to clear the way for a presidential photo op outside a church. But when armed militants poured into the state Capitol in Michigan, brandishing their weapons in the legislative chamber to intimidate lawmakers (some of whom felt the need to don bulletproof vests) over public health restrictions, Trump declared that the gunman were “very good people” and that the state’s Democratic governor should “make a deal” with them.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
More on these losers: Hammond arson case - Wikipedia
Death threats to fish and game as well as land management, illegal poaching of entire herds of deer, threatening to frame land management officers for the fire if they didn't call off investigations, etc etc.
'Very fine people' indeed.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Incidentally the Hammond case is what spurned on the Bundy ******** to occupy a federal building and destroy native artifacts within the building here.
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You can guess that my point is not support for becoming heavily armed. But rather it's a comment on the need for regime change this November. And, of course, that it's not the behavior of a few people in the crowed but purely political gaslighting on his part to excite the base.

Which regime, the heavily democratic city-based regime that causes most of our trouble or the minorly annoying but ever ineffectual federal government? The choice between Republicans and Democrats is often no actual choice, but rather just voting against whichever one is the least crazy at any point in time.

The enemy is not one or another, but both are dedicated to doing nothing rather than causing a divide between us.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You can guess that my point is not support for becoming heavily armed. But rather it's a comment on the need for regime change this November. And, of course, that it's not the behavior of a few people in the crowed but purely political gaslighting on his part to excite the base.

In Trump’s America, the First Amendment protects only those who exercise the Second


Anarchists in Oregon who hate their country are trying to set fires and destroy federal property? Hmmm.

Steven and Dwight Hammond, also from Oregon, were convicted of arson for a fire that burned 139 acres of federal property in the state. A witness testified that Steven Hammond handed out matches with instructions to “light up the whole country” after his hunting party illegally slaughtered animals on federal land. Their imprisonment sparked an armed takeover of federal property in Oregon for 41 days in 2016 by dozens of militia-affiliated gunmen.

And what did Trump think of these arsonists who destroyed federal property and wanted to burn down America? Why, he pardoned them in 2018, calling them “devoted family men” and “respected contributors to their local community” for whom “justice is overdue.”

We have seen this pattern over and over.

In Washington’s Lafayette Square, across the street from the White House, federal police operating under the administration’s command fired gas and projectiles at peaceful demonstrators to clear the way for a presidential photo op outside a church. But when armed militants poured into the state Capitol in Michigan, brandishing their weapons in the legislative chamber to intimidate lawmakers (some of whom felt the need to don bulletproof vests) over public health restrictions, Trump declared that the gunman were “very good people” and that the state’s Democratic governor should “make a deal” with them.
2020 is really a perfect **** storm of **** storms for America. And it keeps getting worse.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
2020 is really a perfect **** storm of **** storms for America. And it keeps getting worse.

Well, you Americans are going to be ****** up beyond all recognition if you are unlucky and that includes in worst case that you and fellow Americans as "We, the people" must takes to the streets and walk up against heavily armed police, para-military and military forces and accept the possibility of dying in the process as a last act of resistance.

That is how that works if you look at history, enough people take to the streets and then confront the power using their own lives as their "weapons". That is how pacifism works. You don't stay out of it, you "say" to the power: Now you kill us or you surrender.
I sincerely hope you don't get there, but I am not willing to bet against it happening.

Regards and love
Mikkel
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
My first thought upon seeing the thread's title....
Poor Sun Rise...he's really suffering with angst
over Trump's trumping the system. I guarantee
that we & the system will survive him.
That's a money back guarantee.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
My first thought upon seeing the thread's title....
Poor Sun Rise...he's really suffering with angst
over Trump's trumping the system. I guarantee
that we & the system will survive him.
That's a money back guarantee.
Foreign relations are likely to not be restored to where they were. They can be great, better than ever before, but the worpd now knows one xenophobic moron of a president can undo all of that.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Foreign relations are likely to not be restored to where they were. They can be great, better than ever before, but the worpd now knows one xenophobic moron of a president can undo all of that.
What significant relationships do you believe to be so badly damaged?
One I think of is with Iran....an easy fix.
The first thing Biden should do is apologize for Trump's behavior.
And then for all the other Presidents who attacked Iran.
I could do all that in a day.
Finally, negotiate peaceful relations.
This might take a month to hammer out the details.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
What significant relationships do you believe to be so badly damaged?
One I think of is with Iran....an easy fix.
The first thing Biden should do is apologize for Trump's behavior.
And then for all the other Presidents who attacked Iran.
I could do all that in a day.
Finally, negotiate peaceful relations.
This might take a month to hammer out the details.
Sure, with our traditional allies.

But China and Russia? They want to tear us down. I'm happy for the warfare to be economic and political, but the intent is the same and must be met.

The only thing I support and that's mostly the intent from the current regime, is reducing our dependency on China to a minimum and standing up to their aggressive hegemonistic military adventures and human rights violations.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Which regime, the heavily democratic city-based regime that causes most of our trouble or the minorly annoying but ever ineffectual federal government? The choice between Republicans and Democrats is often no actual choice, but rather just voting against whichever one is the least crazy at any point in time.

The enemy is not one or another, but both are dedicated to doing nothing rather than causing a divide between us.
Let's just say that I totally disagree 100% about who is causing the trouble.

The divide is not caused by the political parties. They reflect the war that is going on for the soul of the USA and the future of the USA. Politics will change only when the consciousness of most Americans change.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Sure, with our traditional allies.
What the....?
Iran is a sworn enemy of Ameristan & Israelistan.
Our big problem with them is that we made them a traditional enmey.
I just gave the recipe for easing that relationship towards peace.
But China and Russia? They want to tear us down. I'm happy for the warfare to be economic and political, but the intent is the same and must be met.
They were enemies before Trump, & will be after he leaves.
Both have designs on their neighbors.
I have no easy solution for them.
I don't believe that Biden does either.
The only thing I support and that's mostly the intent from the current regime, is reducing our dependency on China to a minimum and standing up to their aggressive hegemonistic military adventures and human rights violations.
I agree.
But stand up carefully.
War with them would be radioactive.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What significant relationships do you believe to be so badly damaged?
One I think of is with Iran....an easy fix.
The first thing Biden should do is apologize for Trump's behavior.
And then for all the other Presidents who attacked Iran.
I could do all that in a day.
Finally, negotiate peaceful relations.
This might take a month to hammer out the details.
Negotiations, treaties, agreements, Trump has been throwing them out the window. We already need foreigners for our academic and intellectual deficiency. They now know a xenophobe president can make things beyond complicated for them if they want to come here. Other countries aren't looking to America for international assistance anymore. More and more, they're looking at China. They are looking at Russia. And without radical overhaul to US treaties to prevent another Trump I just don't see why any country would take America seriously knowing how easily it can all be undone.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Negotiations, treaties, agreements, Trump has been throwing them out the window. We already need foreigners for our academic and intellectual deficiency. They now know a xenophobe president can make things beyond complicated for them if they want to come here. Other countries aren't looking to America for international assistance anymore. More and more, they're looking at China. They are looking at Russia. And without radical overhaul to US treaties to prevent another Trump I just don't see why any country would take America seriously knowing how easily it can all be undone.
Solvable problems all.
Just put me in charge, & watch the sparks fly!
 
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