first-born of all creation

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How does that relate to being born?

I believe formed from the dust is directly opposite from being formed from an egg and sperm. Without conception there would be no birth. This is cloning pure and simple. In cloning there is no birth but the new creature is not a living being until it breathes.

 

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I believe formed from the dust is directly opposite from being formed from an egg and sperm. Without conception there would be no birth. This is cloning pure and simple. In cloning there is no birth but the new creature is not a living being until it breathes.

The egg in a female is inert until it is fertilised by the sperm of the male.

Until it is fertilised the egg is of no viable use other than being a ‘potential’.

The sperm is always active and it is considered a sin for a male to ‘spill his seed on the ground’. Sperm is the equivalent of the ‘Spirit’ that ENLIVENS the inert BODY.
But note that it is not a sin for a female to ‘spill her egg on the ground’.

You are stressing the meaning of ‘Born’ and ‘Created’. The man, Adam, WAS NOT BORN until God blew the breath of life into the body of Adam… Jesus WAS NOT BORN until the spirit of God overshadowed the virgin and he came out of the womb!

The two events are identical in the actions.

The finality of the actions is the ‘Creation of a LIVING human Being BY MEANS OF the Spirit of God.

In humanity, the ‘creation of the human being’ is also the injecting of the sperm into the egg.

An egg is not a human - a sperm is not a human!

A ‘Birth’ (being Born) is the living child coming out of the womb. It is sympathetic wording that might say, ‘Born dead’ (Stillbirth or Miscarriage), if the foetus comes out of the womb but never takes a breath.

 

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The egg in a female is inert until it is fertilised by the sperm of the male.

Until it is fertilised the egg is of no viable use other than being a ‘potential’.

The sperm is always active and it is considered a sin for a male to ‘spill his seed on the ground’. Sperm is the equivalent of the ‘Spirit’ that ENLIVENS the inert BODY.
But note that it is not a sin for a female to ‘spill her egg on the ground’.

You are stressing the meaning of ‘Born’ and ‘Created’. The man, Adam, WAS NOT BORN until God blew the breath of life into the body of Adam… Jesus WAS NOT BORN until the spirit of God overshadowed the virgin and he came out of the womb!

The two events are identical in the actions.

The finality of the actions is the ‘Creation of a LIVING human Being BY MEANS OF the Spirit of God.

In humanity, the ‘creation of the human being’ is also the injecting of the sperm into the egg.

An egg is not a human - a sperm is not a human!

A ‘Birth’ (being Born) is the living child coming out of the womb. It is sympathetic wording that might say, ‘Born dead’ (Stillbirth or Miscarriage), if the foetus comes out of the womb but never takes a breath.

I believe that is not a birth since Adam did not come out of a womb. Metaphorically it can be considered a birth as meaning an origin. There is a difference.

Jesus was created because there was no male sperm to unite with Mary's egg until God crated one. He is the first created being to be born of a woman. Adam was not born of a woman.

I believe this is not a creation but is simply a natural selection although I believe God manipulate that when He wishes.

 

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I believe that is not a birth since Adam did not come out of a womb. Metaphorically it can be considered a birth as meaning an origin. There is a difference.

Jesus was created because there was no male sperm to unite with Mary's egg until God crated one. He is the first created being to be born of a woman. Adam was not born of a woman.

I believe this is not a creation but is simply a natural selection although I believe God manipulate that when He wishes.

It is a dangerous or at least misguided thing to presume the definition of a term by human deeds alone.

‘Birth’ is indeed, exiting the womb IF you limit the meaning of ‘Birth’ to human or animal reproduction.

But consider this:

• “January 1, 1983 is considered the official birthday of the Internet.”

Did the ‘Internet’ exit the womb of a woman?

All in all, I think you’re arguing a moot point!!

God gave spirited creatures the ability to reproduce their own species - a procreation.

Adam, however, was not a REPRODUCTION… was not PROCREATED. He was a direct CREATION by God and therefore was sinless, holy, righteous as God is sinless, holy, and righteous.

Jesus was ALSO not PROCREATED. He was a direct CREATION by God.. and therefore was sinless, holy, righteous as God is sinless, holy, and righteous.

We know the truth of the latter from the words spoken by the Angel Gabriel to the virgin, Mary:

• “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)

So, the point of concern here is not whether Adam and Jesus both EXITED A WOMB, but rather, that BOTH (and only these two) WERE CREATED by the power of the Spirit of God.

Hence the point of the verse which gives a title to Jesus of being ‘The Last Adam’ (which implies there was a FIRST ADAM)… and extrapolate from that, that this means ‘The last sinless, holy, and righteous CREATED MAN.

In both cases, no ‘sinful spirit of man’ was procreated into the child that was born.

The EGG of a woman is INERT. It has no LIVING FUNCTION until it is fertilised. It us like the DUST OF THE EARTH by which the BODY OF Adam was created… the dust is lifeless, inert, immobile, UNTIL the spirit of the person enters the body to ‘ENLIVEN IT’… thence the child BECOMES A LIVING SOUL!!