First Hindu Temple to be Built in China by BAPS

[TashaN]

Because it would result in cultural unity which India is in dire need of. The lack of unity led to Islamic domination for 400 years and British domination, after Shivaji the Great returned Hindu supremacy to the subcontinent.

Both Celina and Mahesh believe a man is God, but disagree on the particulars of devotion of philosophical nuances. Have you seen the disagreements they've had? They are quite heated, despite belonging to same religion.

I think it's normal in any religion to disagree in alot of issues. Our differences are a mercy and a blessing upon us but not a curse, IMO.

Unless there is a feeling of unity, that despite philosophical differences, we are Hindu, then India cannot progress culturally. The current economic scene is a farce in comparison to the gross amounts of communalism among people between the states, religions, castes, languages, etc.

India has not learned its lesson and its openness will be its downfall again.

Do you think India will be saved ONLY if the hindu followers became united?

What about the other religions in India, wouldn't you feel it's would be great if they united too, then all religions in India would live in peace if they wished goodness and good will for each other?

 

[TashaN]

What's that?

You said that: it would equally stupid to say that Muslims have not committed the majority of the atrocities.

I believe this issue can be debated but this is not the right place for it, because each party claim that the *others* are responsible for the majority of the attacks.

 

[Pariah]

I think it's normal in any religion to disagree in alot of issues. Our differences are a mercy and a blessing upon us but not a curse, IMO.

Maybe. You are obviously not familiar with Indian history. When you understand it thoroughly, we can talk about it.

Do you think India will be saved ONLY if the hindu followers became united?

What about the other religions in India, wouldn't you feel it's would be great if they united too, then all religions in India would live in peace if they wished goodness and good will for each other?

As Hindus are the majority, I would say, yes, the salvation of India lies in Hindu unity. India was built on a distinctly Hindu foundation - unless non-Hindus can be proud of this, unity with other religions will not be possible.

Yes, peace with other religions would be great, but I don't see it as a viable solution. Hindus cannot forget 450 years of Islamic domination. It's not just me.

Hinduism is a very uniquely tolerant religion - we accept everyone so long as they accept us. You will never find such acceptance in any other religions with the exception of perhaps the Baha'i.

 

[Pariah]

You said that: it would equally stupid to say that Muslims have not committed the majority of the atrocities.

I believe this issue can be debated but this is not the right place for it, because each party claim that the *others* are responsible for the majority of the attacks.

I don't know who you would blame for the majority, but I would certainly lose a great deal of intellectual respect for you if you considered Hindus to have committed that majority.

 

[lilithu]

Because it would result in cultural unity which India is in dire need of. The lack of unity led to Islamic domination for 400 years and British domination, after Shivaji the Great returned Hindu supremacy to the subcontinent.

Both Celina and Mahesh believe a man is God, but disagree on the particulars of devotion of philosophical nuances. Have you seen the disagreements they've had? They are quite heated, despite belonging to same religion.

Unless there is a feeling of unity, that despite philosophical differences, we are Hindu, then India cannot progress culturally. The current economic scene is a farce in comparison to the gross amounts of communalism among people between the states, religions, castes, languages, etc.

India has not learned its lesson and its openness will be its downfall again.

Yes, there should be unity. But it should be national unity, not religious unity. One should be able to look at one's fellow countryman or woman and feel kinship, regardless of whether he or she is Hindum, Muslim, Sikh, or Christian, etc.

A "national religion" to which everyone was expected to adhere would surely be a mistake in a country as diverse as India.

As Voltaire said (paraphrasing): Where there is one religion there is tyranny. Where there are two religions there is civil war. Only with a multitude of religions is there peace.

 

[lilithu]

Yes, peace with other religions would be great, but I don't see it as a viable solution. Hindus cannot forget 450 years of Islamic domination. It's not just me.

Hinduism is a very uniquely tolerant religion - we accept everyone so long as they accept us. You will never find such acceptance in any other religions with the exception of perhaps the Baha'i.

It is surprising to me that you can type the first paragraph and the second together without any awareness of irony.

It's also surprising to me that you can quote Gandhi and yet hold such a deep grudge.

I'll take my leave of this thread, which started out on such a positive note of mutual understanding, and let you guys have at it.

 

[Hema]

What a beautiful mandir.

 

[vandervalley]

Hinduism is a very uniquely tolerant religion - we accept everyone so long as they accept us. You will never find such acceptance in any other religions with the exception of perhaps the Baha'i.

Buddhism is equally tolerant if not more than Hinduism;

a great example: Do you see Buddhists go on rampage and killing Muslims when the Big Buddha Statues were destroyed by the Taliban Muslims in Afghanistan?

 

[vandervalley]

Yes, peace with other religions would be great, but I don't see it as a viable solution. Hindus cannot forget 450 years of Islamic domination. It's not just me.

I can understand this since Islamic expansion into India was anything but peaceful.

However treat it as a past karma and look forward to peace and prosperity with muslims; only the tolerant and peace loving country will be rewarded with peace.

India has not learned its lesson and its openness will be its downfall again.

Openness is a good thing. The important thing is to seperate religion from politics; then you can have any number of religion in the country and still remain unified and peaceful.

It is surprising to me that you can type the first paragraph and the second together without any awareness of irony.

It's also surprising to me that you can quote Gandhi and yet hold such a deep grudge.

Don't be surprised lilithu; look at India and its neibouring muslim countries; do u see Hinduism or Buddhism being accepted in Afghanistan or Pakistan? I congradulate India and Hindus for being a tolerant country and people respectively.

 

[TashaN]

I don't know who you would blame for the majority, but I would certainly lose a great deal of intellectual respect for you if you considered Hindus to have committed that majority.

I'm in no position to blame any, but it's unhealthy to point finger at each other--hindus and muslims--when it comes to violence in India and clashes between them. I feel sorry that you will have this disrespect for me just for showing different views than yours.

I'm not Malaysian but i currently live in Malaysia, and i love how all (hindus, malay, buddhists, christians, etc) are proud of being *Malaysians* and no one of them call for his/her own religious unity because of their wise leadership and their love for peace. You will never make peace if you used to corner yourself within your own faith followers and see the others as either the enemy in the past or the *potential* enemy in the future.

I just hope that you will know who Gandhi really was, and what he lived and died for, as lilithu have said.

Thank you for answering my questions, and i hope to talk about this more with you, but maybe in somewhere else than your own DIR.

 

[Pariah]

Yes, there should be unity. But it should be national unity, not religious unity. One should be able to look at one's fellow countryman or woman and feel kinship, regardless of whether he or she is Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, or Christian, etc.

Indians are divided on more levels than religion - they are divided by state, by language, by sects of a religion - people from different states can hardly communicate with each other. How are they supposed to foster a sense of kinship?

India attempted to instituate Hindi as the national language and riots broke out in the places of regional pride - Tamil Nadu, Bengal, Maharashtra. Indians are not and cannot be united on any other level than religion unless drastic action is taken, and Indians are terrible at actually doing things without vast amount of talking and deliberating.

A "national religion" to which everyone was expected to adhere would surely be a mistake in a country as diverse as India.

As Voltaire said (paraphrasing): Where there is one religion there is tyranny. Where there are two religions there is civil war. Only with a multitude of religions is there peace.

No doubt. I'm not proposing a state religion, but Hindu unity is essentially Indian unity. Once the Hindus come together, everybody else can join the bandwagon. The secularism that currently exists in India is a facade for communal politics in the name of "secularism" - India is the third most religious country in the world - it will take a while for secularism to full exist in the country. And maybe its not a possibility.

 

[Pariah]

It is surprising to me that you can type the first paragraph and the second together without any awareness of irony.

Because there isn't any?
If defending yourself is separate from tolerance, than count me out of tolerance.

It's also surprising to me that you can quote Gandhi and yet hold such a deep grudge.

Quoting Gandhi has little to do with accepting his petty ideas of militant pacifism that have crippled India for 60 years.

I'll take my leave of this thread, which started out on such a positive note of mutual understanding, and let you guys have at it.

I wish you wouldn't.
I worked out the points you mentioned - discussing the issues doesn't mean you have to accept them.

 

[celina]

this thread is way off topic and this discussion section is about hinduism only. this thread needs to be closed.

 

[celina]

Yes, there should be unity. But it should be national unity, not religious unity. One should be able to look at one's fellow countryman or woman and feel kinship, regardless of whether he or she is Hindum, Muslim, Sikh, or Christian, etc.

A "national religion" to which everyone was expected to adhere would surely be a mistake in a country as diverse as India.

As Voltaire said (paraphrasing): Where there is one religion there is tyranny. Where there are two religions there is civil war. Only with a multitude of religions is there peace.

I don't agree at all. I think India needs to be 100 percent under hinduism, there is no linguinstic unity in India....The only unity that can keep India together is Hindu unity. There is plenty of diversity in Hinduism, for those that want variety. Hinduism is not one religion.

As far as multiple religions living in peace, thats a lie. Jews and pagans were persecute under christianity in Europe and still were until recently and faced discimination.

 

[Quagmire]

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