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First Solid Evidence for the Big Bang Emerges

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Grossly incorrect. On both the horizontal (in line with earth's rotation) and the vertical (in line with the north-south axes), we've examined 360 degrees.

Its impossible to examine 360 degrees from the big bang. The big bang was in all directions which is 720 degrees. 360 vertical and 360 horizontal.

If you were to measure the 180 degrees we rotate around the solar system in the direction of the big bang and the 180 degrees we rotate around the galaxy in the direction of the big bang you would still only be less than 1 degree of the 720.

All galaxies are expanding away from the Big Bang and the Big Bang was in all directions. That means there are Galaxies going in opposite directions as us. Their light and radiation expanding in the opposite direction. How do we see these Galaxies.

Of course maybe the Big Bang was directed. You know maybe by design.
 

technomage

Finding my own way
Its impossible to examine 360 degrees from the big bang. The big bang was in all directions which is 720 degrees. 360 vertical and 360 horizontal.

First and foremost, no, you do not add degrees vertical and horizontal.

Secondly, I noted both the vertical and the horizontal in my post.

And as I said--if you don't like the theory, come up with a better one--but to do so, you must give a complete answer to ALL the data.

Take your time.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Its impossible to examine 360 degrees from the big bang. The big bang was in all directions which is 720 degrees. 360 vertical and 360 horizontal.

If you were to measure the 180 degrees we rotate around the solar system in the direction of the big bang and the 180 degrees we rotate around the galaxy in the direction of the big bang you would still only be less than 1 degree of the 720.

All galaxies are expanding away from the Big Bang and the Big Bang was in all directions. That means there are Galaxies going in opposite directions as us. Their light and radiation expanding in the opposite direction. How do we see these Galaxies.

Of course maybe the Big Bang was directed. You know maybe by design.

This post is wrong in too many ways to address. I'd suggest before commenting on the Big Bang or cosmological inflation, that you read some more material regarding it, and then make sure that you've actually understood and absorbed the concepts involved before speculating on them.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
This post is wrong in too many ways to address. I'd suggest before commenting on the Big Bang or cosmological inflation, that you read some more material regarding it, and then make sure that you've actually understood and absorbed the concepts involved before speculating on them.

I have read please point out my mistakes please.

The Big Bang was in all directions. Yes or No
We are rotating around the solar system yes or no
We are rotating around the galaxy yes or no
Our galaxy is expanding away from the big bang yes or no
Our galaxy is less than 1 percent of the universe yes or no.
I'll admit I estimated the degrees being less than one percent. There are actual numbers I could figure it out but don't feel like it. You could if you want.

When you rotate around something and the line is straight from what you are rotating around for direction purposes the best you can do is 180 degrees the second 180 would fall on the same line just farther away Yes or No.

If light is moving away from us at the speed of light and we are light years away from the start can we see the light yes or no
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
If the observable Universe is smaller than the entire Universe (in some models it is many orders of magnitude smaller), one cannot determine the global structure by observation: one is limited to a small patch.

the presently most popular shape of the Universe found to fit observational data according to cosmologists is the infinite flat model

From Wilkepedia easiest source.

The point is we can only view this from a limited small patch and we are not even sure if the observable universe is the whole universe yet We have solid evidence for the Big Bang. I'm not that gullible.
 

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Au contraire! I'm all about admitting ignorance.
The big bang is not an absolute fact...it's a theory being tested.
It's a very good & intriguing theory, but I don't know what happened back then.
(I wasn't there. I' not that old.)

Hmmm.... But perhaps everything we have now was there in a some way or in some form all the way back to the beginning. Perhaps there was never a beginning to begin with, it is all just a continuation like one great, neverending cycle.


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technomage

Finding my own way
Our galaxy is expanding away from the big bang yes or no
No.

There is no "away from" the Big Bang. As I attempted to explain to you earlier, the residue of the Big Bang is the entire universe. The Big Bang did not occur in any central location.

Imagine if you will a child's balloon, not blown up. Take a marker, and draw two points on it, then blow up the balloon. Are the two points moving away from each other? Yes they are. But they are not moving away from the balloon.
 

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
No.

There is no "away from" the Big Bang. As I attempted to explain to you earlier, the residue of the Big Bang is the entire universe. The Big Bang did not occur in any central location.

Imagine if you will a child's balloon, not blown up. Take a marker, and draw two points on it, then blow up the balloon. Are the two points moving away from each other? Yes they are. But they are not moving away from the balloon.

I like that analogy.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
No.

There is no "away from" the Big Bang. As I attempted to explain to you earlier, the residue of the Big Bang is the entire universe. The Big Bang did not occur in any central location.

Imagine if you will a child's balloon, not blown up. Take a marker, and draw two points on it, then blow up the balloon. Are the two points moving away from each other? Yes they are. But they are not moving away from the balloon.

They are not moving away from the balloon but they are moving away from the location the balloon existed in all directions. The Big bang is the explosion not the balloon. The explosion happened at one point all the pieces flew out in all directions.
 

technomage

Finding my own way
They are not moving away from the balloon but they are moving away from the location the balloon existed in all directions. The Big bang is the explosion not the balloon. The explosion happened at one point all the pieces flew out in all directions.
Nope. The big bang was not an "explosion"--it was a sudden _expansion_ from a singularity. _The entire universe is the "center" of the Big Bang._
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Nope. The big bang was not an "explosion"--it was a sudden _expansion_ from a singularity. _The entire universe is the "center" of the Big Bang._

Yep that's the problem I used explosion. You were using a balloon. The entire universe is the center of the big bang. As far as I know its called the Big Bang theory but they don't use Big Bang to explain any part of it.

Is that the observable universe or the whole universe and does that include the multiple dimensions universes. I want to make sure I use the proper term this time.
 

technomage

Finding my own way
Is that the observable universe or the whole universe and does that include the multiple dimensions universes. I want to make sure I use the proper term this time.
a. Presumed to be the entire universe, but we can only speak positively about the observable universe.
b. "Multiple dimensions" is outside of my knowledge.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
It's difficult to wrap your head around. How can you fit billions upon billions of atoms into a space smaller than an atom? :p I guess that's why people have trouble believing it.
Yet they have no trouble accepting the Noah-Ark fable as true. ;)
 

shawn001

Well-Known Member
Yep that's the problem I used explosion. You were using a balloon. The entire universe is the center of the big bang. As far as I know its called the Big Bang theory but they don't use Big Bang to explain any part of it.

Is that the observable universe or the whole universe and does that include the multiple dimensions universes. I want to make sure I use the proper term this time.


Bob, we need to clarify something's here for you. The big Bang theory itself states the universe was extremely hot and dense in the past. That is the theory and we have extremely strong evidence for it including a lot of pictures of it from the remnant light left over called the CMB. Look at this website

Timeline of the Universe Image

Then we sent a better satellite to make measurements. The Planck Satellite and they are going through that data now and have been.

Planck reveals an almost perfect Universe / Planck / Space ..

Planck reveals an almost perfect Universe / Planck / Space Science / Our Activities / ESA

We could go back in time to it to the Planck time scale a trillion of a trillion of a trillion of a second, but then physics and math breakdown.

So They believe this was a singularity. But we still don't know that yet for a fact, but this helps support it.

However we could only see back to 380,000 years after the bang, because we couldn't see past the "surface of last scatter"

"When WMAP observes the microwave background sky it looks back to when there were free electrons that could readily scatter cosmic background radiation. This cosmic background "cloud surface" is called the "surface of last scatter". If there were any "features" imprinted in this surface of last scatter (i.e.- regions that were brighter or dimmer than average) they will remain imprinted to this day because emitted light travels across the universe largely unimpeded."

So this was 375,000 years after inflation.

"375,000 years after inflation and has traversed the universe largely unimpeded since then. The conditions of earlier times are imprinted on this light; it also forms a backlight for later developments of the universe."

This new discovery if confirmed and its looking good, supports inflation theory, but it also then allows us to go back further then the CMB and last light scatter.


"Almost 14 billion years ago, the universe we inhabit burst into existence in an extraordinary event that initiated the Big Bang. In the first fleeting fraction of a second, the universe expanded exponentially, stretching far beyond the view of today's best telescopes. All this, of course, has just been theory.

Researchers from the BICEP2 collaboration today announced the first direct evidence supporting this theory, known as "cosmic inflation." Their data also represent the first images of gravitational waves, or ripples in space-time. These waves have been described as the "first tremors of the Big Bang." Finally, the data confirm a deep connection between quantum mechanics and general relativity."

New evidence supports Stanford physicist's theory of how universe began


I also want to point out the galaxies are being dragged along with space "stretching"

Also point out the space is still expanding faster then light.

The galaxies are not winging out into the universe in all directions, space itself is dragging them in all directions.

Another important aspect of this discovery is the quest for cosmology on the big scale to work out with quantum mechanics on the very small scale this has been a major goal for awhile now, between cosmologists and QM scientists.

Professor Andrei Linde spent 30 years of his life on it and is the founder of the theory for Inflation.

Of course you know who Albert Einstein was and his contributions along with Edward Hubble, and "Monseigneur Georges Lemaître, a Belgian Catholic Priest, was the originator of what would become known as the "Big Bang Theory".

The evidence for the Big Bang theory itself is as strong as evolution of life on Earth.

If you want to argue cosmology with Albert Einstein, Monseigneur Georges Lemaître, Edward Hubble, Stephen Hawkings, Leonard Susskind, and thousands of other major scientists all the way back to Newton and Gallieo and I am missing a lot in the list. Good luck with that and left me know how it turns out.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Revoltingest said:
I prefer "kaboomery" or "phoooooooommmmmm!".

:biglaugh:

Yeah :yes: ...ok, that's much better.

I haven't had a good laugh in a few days. I'm feeling better, thanks to you. :)
 

FunctionalAtheist

Hammer of Reason
They are not moving away from the balloon but they are moving away from the location the balloon existed in all directions. The Big bang is the explosion not the balloon. The explosion happened at one point all the pieces flew out in all directions.

It's a misconception of perception. The big bang happened everywhere! It was not an explosion of material or energy. It was an expansion of space itself. This can't be understood in terms of general relativity, one must think as if they had a position of special relativity.

As a thought experiment, if you were out side of the universe during the big bang and still there observing the whole time through today, you would have noticed nothing. It would still appear as a singularity.
 
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