Flamboyant LGBT, what of it...

[Just_me_Mike]

I was in a conversation with a homophobic the other day and the conversation eventually reduced down to just really having a problem with overly flamboyant members. Naturally I paused to consider this objection and realized some flamboyance might be a problem.
I suppose I equate it with a ****, dressing to risqué and overtly talkin about sex.
Then I thought more and realized it really doesn't bother me even the flamboyant ones.
Anyone straight or gay have an opinion on this subject?


What about this other situation. I go to a gay bar with a friend and have to announce to people there I am straight and only there to support my friend and have fun. What lines should there be for the overly flamboyant type of homosexual? Are there any, even after I announce I am not interested and I am straight?

Anyone have any opinions or experience in these situations?

 

[Storm]

What about this other situation. I go to a gay bar with a friend and have to announce to people there I am straight and only there to support my friend and have fun. What lines should there be for the overly flamboyant type of homosexual? Are there any, even after I announce I am not interested and I am straight?

Are you talking about guys trying to "convert" you? Hitting on you after you've made yourself clear?

I wouldn't call that "flamboyant." I'd call it pushy and deal with them like any other jerk who thinks "no" means "try harder."

Anyone have any opinions or experience in these situations?

I've had unwelcome attention from both sexes.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Storm do you have any reservations for members of LGBT that flaunt their sexuality, so there is no mistake what their about? I think I migt have a problem with it, just as I have a problem with straight guys overtly declaring their intentions and sexual preferences and practices.

May I ask as well, do you think overly flamboyant gay guys are born that way (not the gay part, but the overly feminine part) and do you have any problems with it?

 

[Storm]

Storm do you have any reservations for members of LGBT that flaunt their sexuality, so there is no mistake what their about? I think I migt have a problem with it, just as I have a problem with straight guys overtly declaring their intentions and sexual preferences and practices.

No, not really, for a couple of reasons.

I just pointed out in another thread that most of the "flamboyant" complaints are pretty ill-considered. Holding hands with my girlfriend isn't flaunting anything, it's normal couple behavior. (Not saying you're doing this, just that it happens a lot.)

That said, some people really do flaunt it. It's not my thing, but I sympathize. When it's drilled into your head day after day for years that you have something to be ashamed of, you want to rub people's nose in the fact that you're not. It's rebellious, even spiteful maybe, but I get it.

That's what the whole pride movement is about, at least for me.

May I ask as well, do you think overly flamboyant gay guys are born that way (not the gay part, but the overly feminine part) and do you have any problems with it?

That covers waaaaaaaaay too many possibilities for a single answer.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

No, not really, for a couple of reasons.

I just pointed out in another thread that most of the "flamboyant" complaints are pretty ill-considered. Holding hands with my girlfriend isn't flaunting anything, it's normal couple behavior. (Not saying you're doing this, just that it happens a lot.)

That said, some people really do flaunt it. It's not my thing, but I sympathize. When it's drilled into your head day after day for years that you have something to be ashamed of, you want to rub people's nose in the fact that you're not. It's rebellious, even spiteful maybe, but I get it.

That's what the whole pride movement is about, at least for me.


That covers waaaaaaaaay too many possibilities for a single answer.

Alright I'll narrow it down for you. Take a guy who walks like a runway model everywhere they go, flinging their hips from side to side and acting as if they were a girl???
I must say it bothers me a bit if I am honest about it.
Your point is taken about rubbing it in peoples faces, but why act like a girl?

It is all so confusing, but a curious subject to me.
I wonder if that type of behavior is counter productive to the agenda?

Or do I need to recognize that is just a cry saying "stop judging me"?

 

[Storm]

Alright I'll narrow it down for you. Take a guy who walks like a runway model everywhere they go, flinging their hips from side to side and acting as if they were a girl???
I must say it bothers me a bit if I am honest about it.
Your point is taken about rubbing it in peoples faces, but why act like a girl?

Maybe his hips are shaped funny, I don't know.

With some folks it's deliberate, and with some, not so much. You never know. What I'm saying is that there's no simple answer to your question.

It is all so confusing, but a curious subject to me.
I wonder if that type of behavior is counter productive to the agenda?

Or do I need to recognize that is just a cry saying "stop judging me"?

Well, I can't answer your question, but I can provide my perspective.

The way I see it, the fact that we can hide who we are makes it that much more important to be ourselves. I don't talk about my sex life with every stranger at the bus stop, but I wear my pride symbols.

 

[Valjean]

This flamboyance may indeed be detrimental to the gay rights movement. I'll bet a significant percentage of those opposed to gays have had no exposure (that they're aware of) to gays beyond the media portrayal of parades and transvestite queens.
Perhaps they're imagining the streets and schools will come to resemble a gay rights parade if the trend is not suppressed.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Maybe his hips are shaped funny, I don't know.

With some folks it's deliberate, and with some, not so much. You never know. What I'm saying is that there's no simple answer to your question.


Well, I can't answer your question, but I can provide my perspective.

The way I see it, the fact that we can hide who we are makes it that much more important to be ourselves. I don't talk about my sex life with every stranger at the bus stop, but I wear my pride symbols.

Why wear the symbols if it is no ones business? Is it just to promote discussion and awareness? Will you continue to wear them when equality has been attained? Just curious as to why you wear them.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

This flamboyance may indeed be detrimental to the gay rights movement. I'll bet a significant percentage of those opposed to gays have had no exposure (that they're aware of) to gays beyond the media portrayal of parades and transvestite queens.
Perhaps they're imagining the streets and schools will come to resemble a gay rights parade if the trend is not suppressed.

Maybe, I dunno. That is kind of why I made the thread.

 

[linwood]

Are there any, even after I announce I am not interested and I am straight?

Anyone have any opinions or experience in these situations?

That's the line.
"I'm straight"

I haven't often had a gay man disrespect it.

 

[Storm]

Why wear the symbols if it is no ones business?

Careful, I didn't say that.

I do feel it's no one's business, but I'm not really given that option. If I say nothing, I'm assumed to be straight. If I don't correct them, I feel dishonest.

Is it just to promote discussion and awareness?

Awareness, sure. DIscussion would be nice, but it's never happened.

Will you continue to wear them when equality has been attained? Just curious as to why you wear them.

Probably not, though I doubt that'll happen within my lifetime. I mean, look how far we've come on race issues, and how much further we have to go.

 

[AxisMundi]

Alright I'll narrow it down for you. Take a guy who walks like a runway model everywhere they go, flinging their hips from side to side and acting as if they were a girl???
I must say it bothers me a bit if I am honest about it.
Your point is taken about rubbing it in peoples faces, but why act like a girl?

It is all so confusing, but a curious subject to me.
I wonder if that type of behavior is counter productive to the agenda?

Or do I need to recognize that is just a cry saying "stop judging me"?

I there really any difference between what you describe as a flambouant gay or a flambouant hetero?

BTW, when I still drank, I used to go to a gay bar with a firend of mine. Never had any trouble with pushy gay guys when I explained I was stright like I did with pushy ugly women even when I explained I was married.

I liked to go 'cause I got a lot fo free drinks by way of apology.