Flaw in Creationism

[Arch-Angel]

i wouldn't look too deeply into that, im not saying that the two do not agree, im saying that science is not the end all be all of proof of all things. i believe in Creator God that designs things in perfect order, we study these things with the use of science, but that does not mean that somehow science disproves God or is a chapter of diety elimination.

 

[darkendless]

i wouldn't look too deeply into that, im not saying that the two do not agree, im saying that science is not the end all be all of proof of all things. i believe in Creator God that designs things in perfect order, we study these things with the use of science, but that does not mean that somehow science disproves God or is a chapter of diety elimination.

It does. It pokes a huge hole in your bible. Especially if scientific evolution can be proven. Thast means the whole creation of the world and 7 days is all false.

Hopefully soon there will be no "belief"about the universe, and that there will be facts and processes that can explain our origins. Not some book saying God did this and God did that, which is as good as saying "since we don't know, we'll just say a supreme being did it so we don't have to think."

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It does. It pokes a huge hole in your bible. Especially if scientific evolution can be proven. Thast means the whole creation of the world and 7 days is all false.

It means the Torah fails as science manual, much as your persistent effort to attack/ridicule the Torah as science manual suggests an utter failure on your part to appreciate and/or respect the massive body of thoughtful theology that accepts scripture as a thoroughly human effort. There is nothing noble or intellectual about thinking small ...

 

[x.anti-everything.x]

wow. first off where do you guys learn all this stuff and speak with such intelligence and intelligent words! haha. I have to read things a few times to understand what is being said because my 20 year old brain does not suffice! If evolution could be proven then this argument wouldn't matter anymore after the decades of torment over it. Not only that but if science uncovers this fact it will open a new book, theoretically being able to evolve ourselves to another level? Wouldn't that be interesting!

 

[darkendless]

It means the Torah fails as science manual, much as your persistent effort to attack/ridicule the Torah as science manual suggests an utter failure on your part to appreciate and/or respect the massive body of thoughtful theology that accepts scripture as a thoroughly human effort. There is nothing noble or intellectual about thinking small ...

But theology does not affect me or benefit me does it Jay. I am fine without the Torah, it does not help me better understand the world around me. So thankyou once against for your pathetic arrogance and insults, they go down a treat. Maybe next time RF sends out awards ill vote for you for the the courtesy award

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It means the Torah fails as science manual, much as your persistent effort to attack/ridicule the Torah as science manual suggests an utter failure on your part to appreciate and/or respect the massive body of thoughtful theology that accepts scripture as a thoroughly human effort. There is nothing noble or intellectual about thinking small ...

But theology does not affect me or benefit me ...

A telling response ... :yes:

 

[darkendless]

A telling response ... :yes:

Well to be more specific i was attacking the New Testament of the Bible. Its not a science manual but it does claim that the earth was "created" by a God in 7 days which science is trying to disprove through evolution theories. Not actively, but if evolution and the big bang theory can be fully explained what will that mean for the creation theory?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Well to be more specific i was attacking the New Testament of the Bible. Its not a science manual but it does claim that the earth was "created" by a God in 7 days ...

New Testament?

... which science is trying to disprove through evolution theories. Not actively, but if evolution and the big bang theory can be fully explained what will that mean for the creation theory?

At one level, remarkably little. Certainly it suggests that the conceptualization was flawed, but much the same might be said of various scientific conceptualizations. On the other hand, whatever one might say about the Big Bang and evolution, whatever happened before 1 Plank time is arguably beyond the scope of scientific.

 

[Arch-Angel]

Well to be more specific i was attacking the New Testament of the Bible. Its not a science manual but it does claim that the earth was "created" by a God in 7 days which science is trying to disprove through evolution theories. Not actively, but if evolution and the big bang theory can be fully explained what will that mean for the creation theory?

the reason i dont say theory when discussing creation is because i believe in a God that was there creating, He says what happened and makes it no longer theory for the believers. for you to believe in the big bang or any other method you still have to use theory at the end of the action. even if you totally believed that it was the only way it could happen it still only be your belief, it can only be guessed and never actually proven to be true.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

the reason i dont say theory when discussing creation is because i believe in a God that was there creating, He says what happened and makes it no longer theory for the believers. for you to believe in the big bang or any other method you still have to use theory at the end of the action. even if you totally believed that it was the only way it could happen it still only be your belief, it can only be guessed and never actually proven to be true.

Is there no end to this?

If we had one dollar for every time we've heard this line of "I believe it, therefore it's right", we could all retire tomorrow.

 

[darkendless]

the reason i dont say theory when discussing creation is because i believe in a God that was there creating, He says what happened and makes it no longer theory for the believers. for you to believe in the big bang or any other method you still have to use theory at the end of the action. even if you totally believed that it was the only way it could happen it still only be your belief, it can only be guessed and never actually proven to be true.

Theres a difference between what you and i believe. You believe in God's creation because you have faith in the bible and its been drilled into your head.

I don't believe but have faith in science's ability to reason out our origins without fail. Therefore people will no longer be able to insert "god into the gaps."