Flight Shaming....I Like It !!

[Jim]

I recently improved my posting by getting a new chair.
I'm in it right now! Notice the increase in kwality?

I saw that discussion, and I honestly and seriously saw it as a way of helping to improve the quality of the discussions.

 

[Revoltingest]

I saw that discussion, and I honestly and seriously saw it as a way of helping to improve the quality of the discussions.

I find that it helps to have fun here.
It takes some of the tension away.

 

[Jim]

I find that it helps to have fun here.
It takes some of the tension away.

See? That’s an example of the kinds of touchy feely we need. Now I feel all warm and glowy inside. I’m starting to get tears in my eyes.

 

[Revoltingest]

See? That’s an example of the kinds of touchy feely we need. This is making me feel all warm and glowy inside. I’m starting to get tears in my eyes.

Me no touchie or feelie other posters....even with their permission.

 

[Jim]

Another thought from my reading: The ravaging of the earth, and the ravaging of people, cultures and societies, have the same roots in global monopoly games and in the moral and spiritual impoverishment behind them.

 

[Jim]

Reform of institutional structures will be critical, and indeed this is a central focus of those gathered at COP 21. Yet ultimately it is people, whatever their role or place in society, who implement the policies of a central administration or ignore them, who participate in well-conceived programs or continue patterns of life as before.

- A Statement Of The Bahá’í International Community To The United Nations Climate Change Conference In Paris, France

 

[Jim]

I just remembered a thought I had sbout how things might start getting better sooner than I thought. There have been worldwide conferences of community leaders at the levels of cities, islands and sub-national regions, about their common interests. That could result in some things happening that need to happen, regardless of what national governments do or don’t do.

 

[Jim]

Another thought from my reading. Another part of what needs to happen is for people to stop thinking of themselves and other people as being divided into groups and categories. That includes groups and categories based one what people believe and don’t believe. One way of practicing that in the forums is to learn ways to think about the issues we’re discussing without thinking of people that way.

 

[oldbadger]

Mr Van's & Mr Trailers' tires are even spendier.

They would push up (even) the budget cost somewhat.

I'll bet you're in to careful wheel tracking and correct tyre pressure-for-load attention 'n all.

One way of saving tyres is by picking your weather to travel. If you've got a ten load to collect 1000 miles away, see if you can do the job in dry weather. Wet roads cut rubber up much more badly.

 

[oldbadger]

It's funny how some people view objects - nay, how ALL people view things through
the prism of their brain.
Where once people would go to see a dam and see the beauty in it, we now look
at a wind turbine in the same way.
In California you see these turbines everywhere - each connected to the grid, each
with its access road.
And people "think" they are beautiful because they are taught they are beautiful.
Objectively, they are not beautiful.

Turbines are often situated in scenic areas
Turbines kill animals
Turbines suck energy out of the wind (enough of them and the wind would slow appreciably - there's no free lunch)
Turbines break up the laminar flow of air which affects plant life and soil
Turbines create infrsound which affects humans, and surely must affect animals too.
Turbines don't stand alone - they require infrastructure.
etc

Now if you teach kids all this they will look at a turbine and see it as an ugly object.
Which it is. We are industrializing the last bits of nature left.

But that is brainwashing kids.
You want them to see it your way. They should have the right to see it their way, whatever that is.

I personally think the view of seascapes is much enhanced by the local (and now quite massive) wind-farms. None of your points is correct for these, as I see them.

The question begs, is there anything that mankind has ever produced that you see as attractive? Mostly every painting by every great artist has featured human interference within nature, but humans are a part of nature. If you want the world to be rid of humanity then that is a slightly unusual mindset in a human.

 

[oldbadger]

Sure, I accept Global Warming - and it's man made.

That's all we needed to read.
Some countries are doing their best to try to slow down this process......... don't knock 'em, Pru. If you don't want to help, then, 'OK', but don't knock folks for getting interested in low-emission living.

 

[PruePhillip]

That's all we needed to read.
Some countries are doing their best to try to slow down this process......... don't knock 'em, Pru. If you don't want to help, then, 'OK', but don't knock folks for getting interested in low-emission living.

It's all the ideological-political baggage surrounding it,
and how people exploit issues to their own end that
should trouble you.

 

[PruePhillip]

But that is brainwashing kids.
You want them to see it your way. They should have the right to see it their way, whatever that is.

I personally think the view of seascapes is much enhanced by the local (and now quite massive) wind-farms. None of your points is correct for these, as I see them.

The question begs, is there anything that mankind has ever produced that you see as attractive? Mostly every painting by every great artist has featured human interference within nature, but humans are a part of nature. If you want the world to be rid of humanity then that is a slightly unusual mindset in a human.

None of us are free of bias.
Some would look at a dam and see employment, control of flooding, saving lives,
making parched land productive, human ingenuity, taxes at work, emission free
electricity etc..

And then some look at a dam and see control of nature, greed, capitalism etc..

So what we see is what is already in our brains.

But no, let's no industrialize nature with windmills, power lines and access roads.
Let's save our birds and bats who die in their millions because of these things.

 

[PruePhillip]

Another thought from my reading: The ravaging of the earth, and the ravaging of people, cultures and societies, have the same roots in global monopoly games and in the moral and spiritual impoverishment behind them.

Ravaging of the earth? In my country the aborigines killed off all land animals larger
than a human. They torched the ancient forests. They killed each other.
What do you think - did THEY "ravage the earth." ????

 

[oldbadger]

It's all the ideological-political baggage surrounding it,
and how people exploit issues to their own end that
should trouble you.

No Pru.
It does not trouble me.
The whole World has always been a tough place with lots of baddies in it. That is the game of life that is on the board. It doesn't help to be troubled, it only helps if we do something.

Bad nasty greedy wicked selfish humans gave me a livelihood, payed my mortgage, fed my kids and payed for my retirement, Pru.
I'm just glad to have shared posts with such as you, the selfless, moral, honest and devoted person that you no doubt are.

 

[oldbadger]

None of us are free of bias.
Some would look at a dam and see employment, control of flooding, saving lives,
making parched land productive, human ingenuity, taxes at work, emission free
electricity etc..

And then some look at a dam and see control of nature, greed, capitalism etc..

So what we see is what is already in our brains.

Your view of a dam is so sad, Pru.

But no, let's no industrialize nature with windmills, power lines and access roads.
Let's save our birds and bats who die in their millions because of these things.

How do you earn your living, Pru?
Does it pay you well?

 

[PruePhillip]

Your view of a dam is so sad, Pru.
How do you earn your living, Pru?
Does it pay you well?

It wasn't more than a generation ago when a dam was seen as something to
1 - control flooding and save lives
2 - provide irrigation and feed people
3 - create clean energy.

It's sad that people feel otherwise, they clearly haven't thought it through
or are being indoctrinated.

ps I am retired.

 

[oldbadger]

It wasn't more than a generation ago when a dam was seen as something to
1 - control flooding and save lives
2 - provide irrigation and feed people
3 - create clean energy.

It's sad that people feel otherwise, they clearly haven't thought it through
or are being indoctrinated.

ps I am retired.

That's what dams are for now, as well as providing wonderful venues for recreational activities .

Ok. You are retired, like me.
What was your job before you retired, Pru?

 

[PruePhillip]

That's what dams are for now, as well as providing wonderful venues for recreational activities .

Ok. You are retired, like me.
What was your job before you retired, Pru?

Lots of jobs - favorite being IT

 

[Revoltingest]

They would push up (even) the budget cost somewhat.

I'll bet you're in to careful wheel tracking and correct tyre pressure-for-load attention 'n all.

One way of saving tyres is by picking your weather to travel. If you've got a ten load to collect 1000 miles away, see if you can do the job in dry weather. Wet roads cut rubber up much more badly.

I schedule me trips, & the weather will be what the weather will be.