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Fooling atheists

Cockadoodledoo

Cockadoodledoo

You’re going to get me!
Nakosis said:
You assume the universe has evil intent? The universe is a conscious, intelligent being out to do harm to humanity?

Who created the universe?
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The universe has both good (wine) and bad (malaria) aspects.
The universe even tries to convince us it’s non-conscious.

This says nothing about whether a creator exists.
 
Cockadoodledoo

Cockadoodledoo

You’re going to get me!
Thermos aquaticus said:
Not quite. An agnostic accepts that they don't know everything, so there could be evidence they are missing. An atheist lacks a belief in deities because they have yet to see evidence for deities. An atheist isn't wrong in saying that they have yet to see convincing evidence for the existence of deities. If at a later date there is convincing evidence then they are not proven wrong since up until that point they did not have that evidence.

The mistake you seem to be making is in not understanding the difference between a lack of belief and a belief that something doesn't exist. Those are two different things. I don't believe that Bigfoot exists, but I also happily admit that there is an extreme outside chance that Bigfoot does exist. Do you understand the differences between the two?
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So an agnostic atheist believes what he knows isn’t wrong?
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Cockadoodledoo said:
The universe has both good (wine) and bad (malaria) aspects.
The universe even tries to convince us it’s non-conscious.

This says nothing about whether a creator exists.
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Except you kind of implied it does, if the universe is causing atheists to be fooled into disbelief.

Isn't the universe saying then there is no God?

Should we not then listen to the universe? If not who should we listen to?
 
Jumi

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Cockadoodledoo said:
Has the universe fooled atheists into thinking there is no God?
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Atheists typically believe information about the universe gained from physics and other sciences. Looking at equations, there isn't any "need" for an outside manipulative force. Some so-called strong atheists believe this is proof of Gods not existing. It doesn't help much that there are true fools who have no idea about science and make up stories(creation pseudo-science)... if anyone is to blame it's folks like them.

Cockadoodledoo said:
Or can’t atheists be fooled?
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Everyone can be fooled. For a man with a hammer every problem is a nail. It's not easy to change our modes of thinking without a reason.
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Well if I have been fooled, I must say Satan has done a great job of it.
Satan is much more believable than God and has filled the universe with marvellous things that we are striving to understand.

Having said that, I don't believe I have been fooled.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Cockadoodledoo said:
So an agnostic atheist knows what he believes could be wrong?
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And the theo is one who hasn't a clue that he could be wrong.?

See, a logical mind is one that lives in a culture of doubt.
Is this somehow a surprise to you?

The theo lives in a culture of faith. Faith, among other things, in themselves, as unable to be wrong.
 
Cockadoodledoo

Cockadoodledoo

You’re going to get me!
Cockadoodledoo said:
Let’s take an example.........
I don’t know the actual figures, but let’s say malaria kills 10,000 children a year.
This example could encourage 10,000 people to become atheists.
So could this example fool the atheists into thinking there’s no God.
Couldn’t it be part of God’s plan for malaria to kill innocent children?
The universe is as is!!!!!!!
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Taking the credit
So who should take the credit for malaria?
1. The Creator
2. It evolved naturally in the Creator’s Universe
3. It evolved naturally in Universe without any creator
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Cockadoodledoo said:
I suppose what i’m Saying is.....
Just because the Universe works in a certain way,
This doesn’t say anything about whether there’s a Creator or not.
That seems logical to me.

Even if physicists came up with a theory of everything....
And explained the universe with an equation....
Again this doesn’t rule out God,
He might have his own equation of explanation.

The universe can’t fool the agnostic,
For he doesn’t know and admits it.
But both atheists and theists are open to foolication.
I rest my case!!
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I see atheism differently. It's not that I disbelieve in God, I have no reason for a belief in God. I am therefore a(without) theist(a God).

I'd think most agnostics are atheist, though I suppose without knowledge about God, one could still have a God. It'd be kind of a random pick though.

Like throw a dart at a board with a bunch of gods listed on it and pick whatever god the dart happens to hit.

So being agnostic makes me an atheist.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Cockadoodledoo said:
Has the universe fooled atheists into thinking there is no God?
Or can’t atheists be fooled?
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If the universe (or a god) would consider providing evidence of a god existing then perhaps there would be no atheists.

Over several thousand years, despite numerous (perhaps billions) attempts at providing evidence for a gods existence, precisely none has been offered.

The fools in the case of god belief are those to refuse to accept the lack of evidence and instead rely on blind faith.
 
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