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For Christians, how do you view Jesus?
- Thread starter Deidre
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Welcome back. *hugs*I had to leave Him to see it. Thank you for posting this.
Aside from the Biblical stories OF Jesus, what are your personal views of Him? Now that I've come back to the faith, my views of Him are different than what they were prior to my deconversion. He can change lives, He is not only interested in showing us how to love, but He IS love. Incredible to someone like me who had 'shut out' Jesus for a while.
Look forward to hearing your own views.
My view of Jesus Christ today is that he is a warrior King, and will soon bring this wicked system down in destruction while saving those who obey and serve the true God. (2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 and other scriptures.)
PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks..
Yeshua who is Christ - I call Him my mate - for that is indeed just what He is - like just a "spiritual phone call" away - available 24/7....Nothng like the bible "jesus" though - Hes not meek or mild - He is tolerant and compassionate - very tolerant actually - ,and this make Him seem to be passive - but He is not subserviant,meek or mild - no weakness - not at all..His Love is always pro active..
Now - personaly agree with Rusra above - except to add - indeed - a part of this very "wicked system" that He is coming to destroy,will be in fact,the religons thta bare His name - for this was never His intention at all...We are told of a "great deception" - and look,that deception is carried out by those who profess to be our "spiritual authority"...The bible version of "jesus",is not the truth of Yeshua who is Christ..
Yeshua who is Christ - I call Him my mate - for that is indeed just what He is - like just a "spiritual phone call" away - available 24/7....Nothng like the bible "jesus" though - Hes not meek or mild - He is tolerant and compassionate - very tolerant actually - ,and this make Him seem to be passive - but He is not subserviant,meek or mild - no weakness - not at all..His Love is always pro active..
Now - personaly agree with Rusra above - except to add - indeed - a part of this very "wicked system" that He is coming to destroy,will be in fact,the religons thta bare His name - for this was never His intention at all...We are told of a "great deception" - and look,that deception is carried out by those who profess to be our "spiritual authority"...The bible version of "jesus",is not the truth of Yeshua who is Christ..
Hi Folks..
Yeshua who is Christ - I call Him my mate - for that is indeed just what He is - like just a "spiritual phone call" away - available 24/7....Nothng like the bible "jesus" though - Hes not meek or mild - He is tolerant and compassionate - very tolerant actually - ,and this make Him seem to be passive - but He is not subserviant,meek or mild - no weakness - not at all..His Love is always pro active..
Now - personaly agree with Rusra above - except to add - indeed - a part of this very "wicked system" that He is coming to destroy,will be in fact,the religons thta bare His name - for this was never His intention at all...We are told of a "great deception" - and look,that deception is carried out by those who profess to be our "spiritual authority"...The bible version of "jesus",is not the truth of Yeshua who is Christ..
Yeshua ( Jeshua or the fuller form of Jehoshua ) is the Hebrew name for Jesus. Iesous' is the Greek name for Jesus.
Whereas,Yahweh or Yehowah is the Hebrew name for God as found in the Tetragrammaton. Iaoue would be in the Greek for God's name.
What is your definition of meek or mild since you say Jesus was Not meek or mild ?
Who did Jesus say would inherit the earth - Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:11 ? _______
What did Jesus say about himself at Matthew 11:28-30 ?
Where do we learn about Jesus' destroying the wicked except through the pages of Scripture - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:14-15
First off... He's Someone Who I don't pay enough attention to, and Whose commandments I don't follow nearly as much as I should.Aside from the Biblical stories OF Jesus, what are your personal views of Him? Now that I've come back to the faith, my views of Him are different than what they were prior to my deconversion. He can change lives, He is not only interested in showing us how to love, but He IS love. Incredible to someone like me who had 'shut out' Jesus for a while.
Look forward to hearing your own views.
Second off, He is my Lord God, my Savior, my Rescuer, my Creator. It is under His wings that I find shelter. He is the One Who guides me along my way, and the One Who calls me back when I go astray.
I guess you could say that I often don't think of the fact that Jesus loves us, and I don't usually perceive His presence, or think of Him as being present, other than at the Eucharist.
I used to feel this exact same way, and still view Him in this light now, but He is present. The Holy Spirit is real, and I've been reading of people's 'encounters' with the Holy Spirit online, just random stories...and the outcome matches mine pretty closely. It's so crazy, but...it happened.
PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks..
Hmm..First - well,thats neither here nor there realy,concerning how we see and relate to Christ I mean....Actually I will just say up front - I fully believe I personally encountered Him - face to face as it were,OOBE,astral eperiences - and it is fromthese direct expereinces that I take my source of Wisdom...Obviusly,the bible is flawed,man made,with man made agenda that simply cannot be trusted so blindly,so personally,having looked very deeply I decided to follow Christs actual advise - to shun all the public religons,and seek the comunion inthe way He actually prescribed...
The man "jesus" is a religious biblical invention - a character in their narrative,that is based on the real person - Yeshua who is Christ...The bible truth,is not His truth - not His complete truth anyway - and what little truth there is inthe bible new testamant,is twisted to church agenda - an effor to keep themselves entrenched in power,they have us believe they are v ital and necassary for our "salvation" - but that would be directly against that which Christ actually taught..
He Himself,prononced His name,to my face - Ye-Shuua - it sounds phonetically..And as for the "name of god" - well,He said quite clearly - Our FAther - has no name at all - there is none with even authority to name it,as simply He is SOURCE,Primal Divinity - direct cause of all Creation..Indeed,Christ went on to say,that to even to attempt to name this spirit,is to likewise,limit it - and yet,it is beyond all limitation....Therefore He said,do not even try to name it thus,and always and only when HE speaks of this spirit,He terms it simly Our Father - never - does Christ give it an individual name such as the jews had - He never once calls this "god",Yahweh for instance - always and only Our Father...
And I will tell you all quite plainly - that is because we are actually dealing here with TWO deities inthe Christ narrative....The god of the jews - yahweh - is not the supreme spirit that Christ wil teach us of - is not Our Father at all...
As to whether He is "meek and submissive" - well - as I say,we cant trust the bible narrative - it is mans agenda - domination and power is what drives it - so most obviously,they would like us to emulate this weak,submissive behaviour - but it is not what Christ taught at all...Dont trust the bible - no need - logic is always our allie...I can show you elsewhere,original first hand accounts,where Christ speaking directly to Disciples,tellingthem,He has come not to bring peace to the world,but He ays,He brings,fire,a sword and a war...He speaks also of tying up the "hands of the strong man" (church authority) before going in and looting his house of treasure...Similary,He speaks of testing your sword arm,before going out to kill this "strong one"....Similarly He says He will destroy ther house,so that none may ever rebuild it...Indeed,when it comes to the "pharisee"- religous authoirty -He despised them,showed them no compassion or charity - told us in fact that they purposefully misled us away from truth...This "strong man" that He speaks of,is the religious authoirty itself..He knew exactly what was to come and what was to be done in His name - prepared us accordingly - for those with ears to hear,as He said..
Of course,you wont find any of that in the bible - well - almost none - there s one conspicous part - gospel of John - the jews question Him about Our Father - He says they dont know Our Father- they say their god is the god of Abraham,Moses - and Christ says basically - YES,that IS YOUR GOD - but that is not MY FATHER - He then tells them to their faces,thir god is a liar and a murderer,now deceving them into plotting Yeshuas death...I can show you a few places actually,where Yeshua totally disavows that god of the Hebrews - tells us clearly,it is not a god at all - merely an ANGEL He says - that is mistaken in its belief of supremacy and is
misleading us out of its own fear and jealousy...The complete truth of Christ,is very eye opening indeed - but as I say - we cant find it in the bible alone,for that is a carefully edited tome - little more than a political manifesto - designed to keep church authoity,safe and secure inthat authority..
Diedre;
Yes indeed -the Holy spirit is very very real...But sadly - the bible is edited as said,to with hold the wisdom needed to attainthis gift..Christ showed us a way to directly commune withthe Divine - an inner Communion,started form a silent and void empty mind - hence He had us shun the religious truths that crowd and dominate ourmind - put it all aside He said - "we must "hate" the parents - their traditions,their truths - that god is not Our Father He said very clearly indeed...HATE the parents,THAT pharisee tradtion taught to t hem,who inturn taught us the same errors..
Having instructed His followers to shun the established erroneous truths,the temple,phairsee and religon,He then set about teaching them a means to directly experience His new truth,for our Self - this thing we seek He said - the Kingdom - is found already within us - and following those others so blindly,He said,will lead you away from this authentic Divine truth...He taught a method of directly invoking this Presnece - the Holy Ghost - of allowing it,encouraging it,accepting it - indeed - we are to actually become it,here and now,have that Presence fully available,all the time..I an the Father are One He said - now become Me..
Hmm..First - well,thats neither here nor there realy,concerning how we see and relate to Christ I mean....Actually I will just say up front - I fully believe I personally encountered Him - face to face as it were,OOBE,astral eperiences - and it is fromthese direct expereinces that I take my source of Wisdom...Obviusly,the bible is flawed,man made,with man made agenda that simply cannot be trusted so blindly,so personally,having looked very deeply I decided to follow Christs actual advise - to shun all the public religons,and seek the comunion inthe way He actually prescribed...
The man "jesus" is a religious biblical invention - a character in their narrative,that is based on the real person - Yeshua who is Christ...The bible truth,is not His truth - not His complete truth anyway - and what little truth there is inthe bible new testamant,is twisted to church agenda - an effor to keep themselves entrenched in power,they have us believe they are v ital and necassary for our "salvation" - but that would be directly against that which Christ actually taught..
He Himself,prononced His name,to my face - Ye-Shuua - it sounds phonetically..And as for the "name of god" - well,He said quite clearly - Our FAther - has no name at all - there is none with even authority to name it,as simply He is SOURCE,Primal Divinity - direct cause of all Creation..Indeed,Christ went on to say,that to even to attempt to name this spirit,is to likewise,limit it - and yet,it is beyond all limitation....Therefore He said,do not even try to name it thus,and always and only when HE speaks of this spirit,He terms it simly Our Father - never - does Christ give it an individual name such as the jews had - He never once calls this "god",Yahweh for instance - always and only Our Father...
And I will tell you all quite plainly - that is because we are actually dealing here with TWO deities inthe Christ narrative....The god of the jews - yahweh - is not the supreme spirit that Christ wil teach us of - is not Our Father at all...
As to whether He is "meek and submissive" - well - as I say,we cant trust the bible narrative - it is mans agenda - domination and power is what drives it - so most obviously,they would like us to emulate this weak,submissive behaviour - but it is not what Christ taught at all...Dont trust the bible - no need - logic is always our allie...I can show you elsewhere,original first hand accounts,where Christ speaking directly to Disciples,tellingthem,He has come not to bring peace to the world,but He ays,He brings,fire,a sword and a war...He speaks also of tying up the "hands of the strong man" (church authority) before going in and looting his house of treasure...Similary,He speaks of testing your sword arm,before going out to kill this "strong one"....Similarly He says He will destroy ther house,so that none may ever rebuild it...Indeed,when it comes to the "pharisee"- religous authoirty -He despised them,showed them no compassion or charity - told us in fact that they purposefully misled us away from truth...This "strong man" that He speaks of,is the religious authoirty itself..He knew exactly what was to come and what was to be done in His name - prepared us accordingly - for those with ears to hear,as He said..
Of course,you wont find any of that in the bible - well - almost none - there s one conspicous part - gospel of John - the jews question Him about Our Father - He says they dont know Our Father- they say their god is the god of Abraham,Moses - and Christ says basically - YES,that IS YOUR GOD - but that is not MY FATHER - He then tells them to their faces,thir god is a liar and a murderer,now deceving them into plotting Yeshuas death...I can show you a few places actually,where Yeshua totally disavows that god of the Hebrews - tells us clearly,it is not a god at all - merely an ANGEL He says - that is mistaken in its belief of supremacy and is
misleading us out of its own fear and jealousy...The complete truth of Christ,is very eye opening indeed - but as I say - we cant find it in the bible alone,for that is a carefully edited tome - little more than a political manifesto - designed to keep church authoity,safe and secure inthat authority..
Diedre;
Yes indeed -the Holy spirit is very very real...But sadly - the bible is edited as said,to with hold the wisdom needed to attainthis gift..Christ showed us a way to directly commune withthe Divine - an inner Communion,started form a silent and void empty mind - hence He had us shun the religious truths that crowd and dominate ourmind - put it all aside He said - "we must "hate" the parents - their traditions,their truths - that god is not Our Father He said very clearly indeed...HATE the parents,THAT pharisee tradtion taught to t hem,who inturn taught us the same errors..
Having instructed His followers to shun the established erroneous truths,the temple,phairsee and religon,He then set about teaching them a means to directly experience His new truth,for our Self - this thing we seek He said - the Kingdom - is found already within us - and following those others so blindly,He said,will lead you away from this authentic Divine truth...He taught a method of directly invoking this Presnece - the Holy Ghost - of allowing it,encouraging it,accepting it - indeed - we are to actually become it,here and now,have that Presence fully available,all the time..I an the Father are One He said - now become Me..
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
The gates of Hell are wide.Hi Folks..
Yeshua who is Christ - I call Him my mate - for that is indeed just what He is - like just a "spiritual phone call" away - available 24/7....Nothng like the bible "jesus" though - Hes not meek or mild - He is tolerant and compassionate - very tolerant actually - ,and this make Him seem to be passive - but He is not subserviant,meek or mild - no weakness - not at all..His Love is always pro active..
Now - personaly agree with Rusra above - except to add - indeed - a part of this very "wicked system" that He is coming to destroy,will be in fact,the religons thta bare His name - for this was never His intention at all...We are told of a "great deception" - and look,that deception is carried out by those who profess to be our "spiritual authority"...The bible version of "jesus",is not the truth of Yeshua who is Christ..
PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks..
Indeed - but thats a very ambiguous statement - especialy when "hell" is something else,that is a later church invention - according to Christ - must be so,as HE actually gave us a complete layout and heirachy to all Creation - from Our Fathers first stirring Self awawreness,through to mankind walks the Earth,and even what comes after the mortal death - yet nowhere,is there mention of either a "hell" realm of punishment,neither is there mention of a "satanic adversary" or a "rebellion in heaven" - at least - not in Our Fathers realm - but yahweh,yes indeed,his creation rebelled once they found out the truth..His own Angels first - realised that this "god" was not supreme at all - a long and complicated narrative - but suffice to say for now,this realm we live in,our universe,was once,energetically seperate,from tthe rest of creation - literally hidden on purpose,to cover up a shameful mistake - a "veil of light" is placed around this realm,a different form of Light - a different form of energy - to obscure it and its less than perfect creation - the Angel Yahweh - for that is what Christ terms it - not a god - but,an Angel who is literally created by accident....
This veil wil eventually shatter and fail - just before mankind is created actually - and the angels here created by yahweh,wil see their "god" forthe lesser Angel he truly is,as they witness the Perfection of the Divine Trinity for the first time..They begin to question their god - who at first tries to appease them and stamp its own authority,with the creation of mankind - a gesture that mimicks the Divine perfection above them...But the angels insist on seeking this greater,superior Power,and so yahweh forbids thm outright,declares itself "god of gods" and tells them they may have none before him....
The Angels though,desire to know Divine truth - and yet are forbidden to explore for it..So,wise that they are - they approach mankind,and give to US,this wisdom and truth they have witnessed - knowldge of all "good and evil" that makes us like "god"...Yahweh becomes so jealous,he kicks us out of Paradise before we can put this knowldge to use - says basically "get them outta here,before they take this other "fruit" - other knowldge - and learn how to become immortal....Yer - we didnt get kicked out for "disobediance" did we..?...No - we get kicked out to stop us using our Wisdom given by the Angels who wish us to know truth...
Essentially - they teach mankind how to access other planes of existance - and so back then,the narrative is crammed full of OOBEs and astral travel just as I mention before - is it not..?...The knowldge that makes us like god is the wisdom of how creation actually works..Wisdom to transcent the mundane world and enter the true spiitual "heavens" - thus these Angels give it to mankind,hoping we will encounter that superior power and thus learn the truth and share what is forbidden for them to do themselves..
Old Yahweh is very jealous and insecure - he immedialty banishes us to this lower and more physical realm- prohibits our ascension to the realms above...But his own angels continue ot question him,and mankind has gone against him as well - and so he has the rebels come here under pretense of "watching" mankind - and once they take a semi mortal form,he simply covertly banishes them also,traps themhere among us....
Now - when Christ first mentions this god/angel yahweh - He says directly - it is malformed - and resembled a dragon - immediately it is cast out of heaven and hidden inthe manner described....Im sure then - we begin to see the bible misunderstannding - seperate realms - hidden and obscured - one higher - one lower - an angel that look like a dragon is cast down - except according to Christ - this angel is the god of the Hebrews,they cal lyahweh - and that god is simly not Our Father whom He taught us of..This radical truth is what forced them to murder Him..Not the Father,wrong,lesser god...
if there is a "hell" then - surely,it must be this realm we now inhabit..And indeed,if there were a "satan" that resembles a dragon and is lord of that realm,,then Christ said that would be the created angel,yahweh itself..I could explain al this in greater detail - it is truly a fascinating,full narrative - explains literally every misconception,every twisted half truth,and reveals whythe lies were told - so complete in fact - that Yeshua who is Christ even warns us before hand,what would be said and done in His name..If only we had listened to Him,instead of blindly follwng Man...
In closing for now - I will mention a rather obvious fact tha tis rather undeniable...Yahweh kicks us out of paradise,befor ewe can learn how to become IMMORTAL - yes..?..
And look - Christ will come and tells us directly - that when we understand Him,then we to,shall overcome death - in other words Folks - we wil become immortal..Christ came to give us the exact same Wisdom - that yahweh had forbidden to us in eden - Christ comes to give it freely and is immediately an enemy to the jews,who eventually murder HIm to silence all this - and we see clearly in that defying action - Christ has no affiliation with that hebrew "god" at all and is going directly against its dictates by giving us the same forbidden knowldge - that god is not Our Father...For those with ears to hear,as He said..
Indeed - but thats a very ambiguous statement - especialy when "hell" is something else,that is a later church invention - according to Christ - must be so,as HE actually gave us a complete layout and heirachy to all Creation - from Our Fathers first stirring Self awawreness,through to mankind walks the Earth,and even what comes after the mortal death - yet nowhere,is there mention of either a "hell" realm of punishment,neither is there mention of a "satanic adversary" or a "rebellion in heaven" - at least - not in Our Fathers realm - but yahweh,yes indeed,his creation rebelled once they found out the truth..His own Angels first - realised that this "god" was not supreme at all - a long and complicated narrative - but suffice to say for now,this realm we live in,our universe,was once,energetically seperate,from tthe rest of creation - literally hidden on purpose,to cover up a shameful mistake - a "veil of light" is placed around this realm,a different form of Light - a different form of energy - to obscure it and its less than perfect creation - the Angel Yahweh - for that is what Christ terms it - not a god - but,an Angel who is literally created by accident....
This veil wil eventually shatter and fail - just before mankind is created actually - and the angels here created by yahweh,wil see their "god" forthe lesser Angel he truly is,as they witness the Perfection of the Divine Trinity for the first time..They begin to question their god - who at first tries to appease them and stamp its own authority,with the creation of mankind - a gesture that mimicks the Divine perfection above them...But the angels insist on seeking this greater,superior Power,and so yahweh forbids thm outright,declares itself "god of gods" and tells them they may have none before him....
The Angels though,desire to know Divine truth - and yet are forbidden to explore for it..So,wise that they are - they approach mankind,and give to US,this wisdom and truth they have witnessed - knowldge of all "good and evil" that makes us like "god"...Yahweh becomes so jealous,he kicks us out of Paradise before we can put this knowldge to use - says basically "get them outta here,before they take this other "fruit" - other knowldge - and learn how to become immortal....Yer - we didnt get kicked out for "disobediance" did we..?...No - we get kicked out to stop us using our Wisdom given by the Angels who wish us to know truth...
Essentially - they teach mankind how to access other planes of existance - and so back then,the narrative is crammed full of OOBEs and astral travel just as I mention before - is it not..?...The knowldge that makes us like god is the wisdom of how creation actually works..Wisdom to transcent the mundane world and enter the true spiitual "heavens" - thus these Angels give it to mankind,hoping we will encounter that superior power and thus learn the truth and share what is forbidden for them to do themselves..
Old Yahweh is very jealous and insecure - he immedialty banishes us to this lower and more physical realm- prohibits our ascension to the realms above...But his own angels continue ot question him,and mankind has gone against him as well - and so he has the rebels come here under pretense of "watching" mankind - and once they take a semi mortal form,he simply covertly banishes them also,traps themhere among us....
Now - when Christ first mentions this god/angel yahweh - He says directly - it is malformed - and resembled a dragon - immediately it is cast out of heaven and hidden inthe manner described....Im sure then - we begin to see the bible misunderstannding - seperate realms - hidden and obscured - one higher - one lower - an angel that look like a dragon is cast down - except according to Christ - this angel is the god of the Hebrews,they cal lyahweh - and that god is simly not Our Father whom He taught us of..This radical truth is what forced them to murder Him..Not the Father,wrong,lesser god...
if there is a "hell" then - surely,it must be this realm we now inhabit..And indeed,if there were a "satan" that resembles a dragon and is lord of that realm,,then Christ said that would be the created angel,yahweh itself..I could explain al this in greater detail - it is truly a fascinating,full narrative - explains literally every misconception,every twisted half truth,and reveals whythe lies were told - so complete in fact - that Yeshua who is Christ even warns us before hand,what would be said and done in His name..If only we had listened to Him,instead of blindly follwng Man...
In closing for now - I will mention a rather obvious fact tha tis rather undeniable...Yahweh kicks us out of paradise,befor ewe can learn how to become IMMORTAL - yes..?..
And look - Christ will come and tells us directly - that when we understand Him,then we to,shall overcome death - in other words Folks - we wil become immortal..Christ came to give us the exact same Wisdom - that yahweh had forbidden to us in eden - Christ comes to give it freely and is immediately an enemy to the jews,who eventually murder HIm to silence all this - and we see clearly in that defying action - Christ has no affiliation with that hebrew "god" at all and is going directly against its dictates by giving us the same forbidden knowldge - that god is not Our Father...For those with ears to hear,as He said..
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Rapha
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So if yahweh is a seraph (high ranking fiery lizard of the reptile race or Draconian) then where does that put all the other seraphs (angels / dragons) under His command ?
If He is raSatan then all the other angels dishing out Wisdom are evil as well.
PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks..
Rapha; Good to see you here
Well - I dont know if hes a seraph - or indeed - just what it is exactly - but for sure - it aint Our Father...Not acording to Christ...
As for evil - well - evil is as evil does - you will know them by their fruits,as He said..As for other angels under its command..?..Well, - they began to see the deception,and so,they kind of rebelled...Not so much refused yahwehs authority openly,but for sure,began to question it openly,asked him face to face for explanation,which yahweh refused to give and instead simply forbids all contact with the realms above...They all witnessed the truth of Divinity directly,when Adamus was Created Above - and so they all know for sure,this "god" yahweh,simply is not supreme as it claimed....its not really a question of rebellion - or even good vs evil - its more a question of truth vs deception - a question of legitimate authority..
Some of the angels here saw truth immediately - it was obvious - they realised this realm had been previously hidden - concealed from the superior realm above...And so they realise also,that as far as this realm goes,then yahweh is god here - they stand by him out of their loyalty,and probably believe he knows what is best,trust him fully..Why not..?..Until this point,all had ben well - all the angels believed yahweh supreme,all understood,that yahweh was the direct cause of their very existance - and of course,Yahweh himself,knows of no other greater than itself,as he awakes in this realm,totally alone - hidden and concealed from the rest of Creation - he surely believes itself to be Self begotten - fully Divine - not realising the events that happened to cause this circumstance....
At first he is god,unchallenged - fully acepted as such by all his own creation - and he lords it over them,demands obescience and worship - very vain and narcicistic Angel - but who can blame him - after all - he is thus far,the superior power that they know of,anywhere in their little tiny corner of Creaton..At this point,he is their legitimate god,and they acept him fully as such....But then the veil breaks - forgotten realms now fully know of each other - and all the angels here,have just witnessed somehting truly awesome and spectacular - something their "god" yahweh had no part in at all...They know for sure,another greater power exists - and simply - they wish to know and understand it - GNOSIS - drives all creation - the Divine mind,Creates to understand Self - and all Sentient forms,folow after this prime cause for existance,seek fully self disclosure and understanding of Self - Gnosis is th very purpose of the material worlds and thier formation - to experience directly,that which we are....These Angels share this drive for Wisdom - and so they approach yahweh to petition him - allow us to investigate,encounter - but as said,uahweh is fearful now - authoirty challeneged - obviously a much greater power that he has never encounteed before - and his angels begin to see his weakness in comparison - not supreme....
Some blame yahweh of course - they just want truth - yet he refuses to give it (he doesnt understand it himself of course,yet) - but neither will he allow his angels to seek ths truth either - and that is what causes all the trouble...Yahweh becomes literally - a dictator - lays down rules forbidding Ascention to this other realm...Out of jealousy and fear for his own position and authority,he forbids all knowldge of this greatr power,even though its proof is undeniable to them all...He then creates mankind - a kind of mimicking of the Perfect event of Adamus creation - yahweh wants to show the angels how powerful he is ,stamp his authoirty,plus of course,occupy the angels with our creation and subsequent welfare...But it didnt work - the angels still question and the tensions rise..when the Angels start telling mankind the truth,yahweh simply cannot allow it - so rather cleverly - he first banishes mankind down here - a far more material substantial world,a "solid" form,finite and perishable...Then of course,he tells the angels they must cme here too,and continue to Watch over us.....As soon as the angels descend though,take this semi mortal form - yahweh erects a similar Veil to that original one - a barrier that prevents the Angels here from re entering their original domain - barred form Heaven...(this is precisely what the CERN malarky is all about - piercing and eventually collapsing this veil,allowing extra DIMENSIONAL Beings to manifest HERE in this realm in a material form)..
So - basically- becasue of yahweh,and his jealous powermongering manipulation - a good portion of his own creation turned against him - firts some angels,and then mankind also - the reason for all this,is simply because he,yahweh,with held Divine truth from us all - and then set about dominating us to make us believe still that he is supreme...He covets power and authoirty,that were never righly his to claim - yet he claims them regardless and claims them fully - literally altering our form,to prevent us from attaining these higher realms.....Christ and Our Father would not stand for that - NONE shal be lost,ever - and so Christ took the mortal form here in this realm - and by doing this,He literally Created a pathway for the Soul - a conduit,a a bridge between this realm and the realm of the Trinity,true Divine - follow Christ,and we literally by-pass these lower realms,and yahweh and his scheme of entrapment,enforced worship,has no hold on us any longer...Thus He said - Iam the Way ans the ONLY Way - none attain the Father except through Me !!
So - WHAT is evil..?..WHAT is good...?...Surely - it is a perspective that wil be decided,depending on how much truth you can see and accept..?..Some here will say - yahweh is good a decent benevolant type that loves his creation - some wil see he is scared,and acting out of self preservation - some will see,he knew the truth and decided to act as he did in full understanding,has caused mankind a great deal of harm allt he way through for its own persoanl gain,and so surely must be judged as "evil".....
For me - evil is as evil does - its easy to judge from a limited mind,but we simply cannot trust that limited judgement can we..?..Christ never made such judgements - merely warned of the deception,and had us prepare for the Journey...He never mentions an evil adversary - says evil comes always from a limited ignorant mind - He never mentions a realm of eternal damnation either,no hell or anything like...
As for Yahweh - well - he does try to put it all straight - eventually...He first realises his own errors - he literally,repents - tries to atone for his mistake by detroying the Earth and his creation - Noahs flood...Then as mankind starts again,so Christ intervenes directly to ensure our salvation - saved from the lower realms,entrapment,spiritual slavery - given the truth of Self,Home,birthright..Saved from ignorance of Self with this divided mind - the evil it breeds - and given in its place,access to the mind of Christ - Holy Ghost,living Divine Presence for our direct guidance..
( I will mention here - yahweh - has no authority here now - he finally seeks the truth for himself - encounters Our Father,and relinquishes all claims and authority here to Christ directly) - this is why he has not spoken to any living mortal directly,since Malachi some three centuries before Yeshua mortal birth - that god is not even present in this realm any longer,and all the things done here since Yeshua walked among us,are done by those "fallen" angels,for thier own preservation and agenda)
So what is evil..?...The Angels here - fallen we name them - gave us knowldge and wisdom that yahweh had previously forbidden us to have - this is perfectly true - so if we are loyal to yahweh and his version of truth,bible truth here,then surely we must judge those fallen as "evil"..But remember alongside this - Christ will come directly - and look,He gives us the exact same knowldege - IMMORTALITY - same Wisdom the snake in Eden gave us,Christ will repeat and explan it fully...So - is Christ "evil" too..?...
Or is it a case where both angels first,and Christ later - want mankind to have truth of their Divine status,inheritance and destiny..?..TRUTH itself,is always a GOOD thing,yes...?....But - how we aply that truth - use it - manipulate it - that can easily become an "evil" thing,wouldnt you all agree..?...Evil,is always of THIS world,this ignorant mind - just as Christ taught..When He comes again - soon - then we will all know His truth in the blinking of an eye - and things judged now as "evil" may not be seen that way afterwards...We are told blatantly of a great deception - and it is layered and intricate indeed - part of that deception is the fact that the church that bares His name,are actually fully affiliated with the Angel Yahweh still - and it is this organisation primarily,that has hidden this spiritual truth from us - the bible christians are in for a real shock and an eye opener,fully duped and misled - the god of the bible is not the Father that Christ taught us of - when this dawns fully,notions ofwhat is "good and evil" wil change radically...
Rapha; Good to see you here
Well - I dont know if hes a seraph - or indeed - just what it is exactly - but for sure - it aint Our Father...Not acording to Christ...
As for evil - well - evil is as evil does - you will know them by their fruits,as He said..As for other angels under its command..?..Well, - they began to see the deception,and so,they kind of rebelled...Not so much refused yahwehs authority openly,but for sure,began to question it openly,asked him face to face for explanation,which yahweh refused to give and instead simply forbids all contact with the realms above...They all witnessed the truth of Divinity directly,when Adamus was Created Above - and so they all know for sure,this "god" yahweh,simply is not supreme as it claimed....its not really a question of rebellion - or even good vs evil - its more a question of truth vs deception - a question of legitimate authority..
Some of the angels here saw truth immediately - it was obvious - they realised this realm had been previously hidden - concealed from the superior realm above...And so they realise also,that as far as this realm goes,then yahweh is god here - they stand by him out of their loyalty,and probably believe he knows what is best,trust him fully..Why not..?..Until this point,all had ben well - all the angels believed yahweh supreme,all understood,that yahweh was the direct cause of their very existance - and of course,Yahweh himself,knows of no other greater than itself,as he awakes in this realm,totally alone - hidden and concealed from the rest of Creation - he surely believes itself to be Self begotten - fully Divine - not realising the events that happened to cause this circumstance....
At first he is god,unchallenged - fully acepted as such by all his own creation - and he lords it over them,demands obescience and worship - very vain and narcicistic Angel - but who can blame him - after all - he is thus far,the superior power that they know of,anywhere in their little tiny corner of Creaton..At this point,he is their legitimate god,and they acept him fully as such....But then the veil breaks - forgotten realms now fully know of each other - and all the angels here,have just witnessed somehting truly awesome and spectacular - something their "god" yahweh had no part in at all...They know for sure,another greater power exists - and simply - they wish to know and understand it - GNOSIS - drives all creation - the Divine mind,Creates to understand Self - and all Sentient forms,folow after this prime cause for existance,seek fully self disclosure and understanding of Self - Gnosis is th very purpose of the material worlds and thier formation - to experience directly,that which we are....These Angels share this drive for Wisdom - and so they approach yahweh to petition him - allow us to investigate,encounter - but as said,uahweh is fearful now - authoirty challeneged - obviously a much greater power that he has never encounteed before - and his angels begin to see his weakness in comparison - not supreme....
Some blame yahweh of course - they just want truth - yet he refuses to give it (he doesnt understand it himself of course,yet) - but neither will he allow his angels to seek ths truth either - and that is what causes all the trouble...Yahweh becomes literally - a dictator - lays down rules forbidding Ascention to this other realm...Out of jealousy and fear for his own position and authority,he forbids all knowldge of this greatr power,even though its proof is undeniable to them all...He then creates mankind - a kind of mimicking of the Perfect event of Adamus creation - yahweh wants to show the angels how powerful he is ,stamp his authoirty,plus of course,occupy the angels with our creation and subsequent welfare...But it didnt work - the angels still question and the tensions rise..when the Angels start telling mankind the truth,yahweh simply cannot allow it - so rather cleverly - he first banishes mankind down here - a far more material substantial world,a "solid" form,finite and perishable...Then of course,he tells the angels they must cme here too,and continue to Watch over us.....As soon as the angels descend though,take this semi mortal form - yahweh erects a similar Veil to that original one - a barrier that prevents the Angels here from re entering their original domain - barred form Heaven...(this is precisely what the CERN malarky is all about - piercing and eventually collapsing this veil,allowing extra DIMENSIONAL Beings to manifest HERE in this realm in a material form)..
So - basically- becasue of yahweh,and his jealous powermongering manipulation - a good portion of his own creation turned against him - firts some angels,and then mankind also - the reason for all this,is simply because he,yahweh,with held Divine truth from us all - and then set about dominating us to make us believe still that he is supreme...He covets power and authoirty,that were never righly his to claim - yet he claims them regardless and claims them fully - literally altering our form,to prevent us from attaining these higher realms.....Christ and Our Father would not stand for that - NONE shal be lost,ever - and so Christ took the mortal form here in this realm - and by doing this,He literally Created a pathway for the Soul - a conduit,a a bridge between this realm and the realm of the Trinity,true Divine - follow Christ,and we literally by-pass these lower realms,and yahweh and his scheme of entrapment,enforced worship,has no hold on us any longer...Thus He said - Iam the Way ans the ONLY Way - none attain the Father except through Me !!
So - WHAT is evil..?..WHAT is good...?...Surely - it is a perspective that wil be decided,depending on how much truth you can see and accept..?..Some here will say - yahweh is good a decent benevolant type that loves his creation - some wil see he is scared,and acting out of self preservation - some will see,he knew the truth and decided to act as he did in full understanding,has caused mankind a great deal of harm allt he way through for its own persoanl gain,and so surely must be judged as "evil".....
For me - evil is as evil does - its easy to judge from a limited mind,but we simply cannot trust that limited judgement can we..?..Christ never made such judgements - merely warned of the deception,and had us prepare for the Journey...He never mentions an evil adversary - says evil comes always from a limited ignorant mind - He never mentions a realm of eternal damnation either,no hell or anything like...
As for Yahweh - well - he does try to put it all straight - eventually...He first realises his own errors - he literally,repents - tries to atone for his mistake by detroying the Earth and his creation - Noahs flood...Then as mankind starts again,so Christ intervenes directly to ensure our salvation - saved from the lower realms,entrapment,spiritual slavery - given the truth of Self,Home,birthright..Saved from ignorance of Self with this divided mind - the evil it breeds - and given in its place,access to the mind of Christ - Holy Ghost,living Divine Presence for our direct guidance..
( I will mention here - yahweh - has no authority here now - he finally seeks the truth for himself - encounters Our Father,and relinquishes all claims and authority here to Christ directly) - this is why he has not spoken to any living mortal directly,since Malachi some three centuries before Yeshua mortal birth - that god is not even present in this realm any longer,and all the things done here since Yeshua walked among us,are done by those "fallen" angels,for thier own preservation and agenda)
So what is evil..?...The Angels here - fallen we name them - gave us knowldge and wisdom that yahweh had previously forbidden us to have - this is perfectly true - so if we are loyal to yahweh and his version of truth,bible truth here,then surely we must judge those fallen as "evil"..But remember alongside this - Christ will come directly - and look,He gives us the exact same knowldege - IMMORTALITY - same Wisdom the snake in Eden gave us,Christ will repeat and explan it fully...So - is Christ "evil" too..?...
Or is it a case where both angels first,and Christ later - want mankind to have truth of their Divine status,inheritance and destiny..?..TRUTH itself,is always a GOOD thing,yes...?....But - how we aply that truth - use it - manipulate it - that can easily become an "evil" thing,wouldnt you all agree..?...Evil,is always of THIS world,this ignorant mind - just as Christ taught..When He comes again - soon - then we will all know His truth in the blinking of an eye - and things judged now as "evil" may not be seen that way afterwards...We are told blatantly of a great deception - and it is layered and intricate indeed - part of that deception is the fact that the church that bares His name,are actually fully affiliated with the Angel Yahweh still - and it is this organisation primarily,that has hidden this spiritual truth from us - the bible christians are in for a real shock and an eye opener,fully duped and misled - the god of the bible is not the Father that Christ taught us of - when this dawns fully,notions ofwhat is "good and evil" wil change radically...
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Rapha
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ThanksHi Folks..
Rapha; Good to see you here
IMHO after listening to what David Icke has said concerning Saturn and Cronus it has come to my attention that all religion on this planet has been rigged from day 1.
It would seem that the spiritual parasites, the 'Archons' that are the draconians or in Biblical terms, the fiery serpents or seraphs, have this world under their complete control.
After having 4 dreams with the Greek god Cronus, it seems that every entity has an agenda. Cronus has been teaching me the symbolic value of the Star of David which just so happens to contain a link to the hexagon portal at the north pole of Saturn (raSatan) in a symbolic sense.
If Mother Gaia is good, why is she about to gladly watch 6.5 billion people get wiped out by the Archons who started World War 3 in 1991 with Gulf War I according to scripture written by Albert Pike in 1881 after he communed with a demon ?
Then there is Jesus who willingly died after 33 years of life. Note 33 = unclean trinity x imperfection (3x11).
What about the Goldern Pyramid that YHWH will place on this planet after Judgement Day because this proves YHWH is limited to only being able to control this planet - not the universe. This fits perfectly with the Draconian lizards that want this planet with no humans.
This opens up a huge can of snakes. If He descends in His pyramid. Surely all the good angels will tear him apart. Unless of course, its been one big rigged game from the very start.
Of all the flying fortresses that YHWH could use, it just so happens to be a Goldern version of the same flying mechanisms used by the fallen angel Osirus and Ra etc.
i just need to know, what good entities are beyond this galaxy because right now it looks like 6.5 billion human spirits are going nowhere. There seems to be only control and agendas beyond this solar system.
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I believe mostly the same as most other Christians, but I also hold a rather "Messianic" view of him. I have Jewish ancestry on my mother's side, but I am not a practicing Jew, which is why I call myself a "Follower of Yeshua" rather than a "Messianic Jew". I attend a Baptist Church.
I have read the works of Zola Levitt, who compared Jesus to the "Passover Lamb": He [Mr. Levitt] believe that Jesus (Yeshua) saves us in much the same way as he saved the Israelites during Passover (The 10th plague in Exodus). I am not 100% sure of that particular view, but I did find it rather fascinating.
I have read the works of Zola Levitt, who compared Jesus to the "Passover Lamb": He [Mr. Levitt] believe that Jesus (Yeshua) saves us in much the same way as he saved the Israelites during Passover (The 10th plague in Exodus). I am not 100% sure of that particular view, but I did find it rather fascinating.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
I believe he was the greatest social philosopher of all time. He changed the world's idea of justice, and introduced the idea that mercy is the most righteous reaction to any transgression. In short ... HE WAS DA MAN!! Mad props ...Aside from the Biblical stories OF Jesus, what are your personal views of Him? Now that I've come back to the faith, my views of Him are different than what they were prior to my deconversion. He can change lives, He is not only interested in showing us how to love, but He IS love. Incredible to someone like me who had 'shut out' Jesus for a while.
Look forward to hearing your own views.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Hell doesn't exist, and Jesus told Judas this explicitly. He also said that it was too dangerous for the world to know this.
Logically, God must know our future before we act, as is demanded by the term "omniscient". Thus, there would be no justice in punishing us after death for the sins he knew would take place and, thus, initially caused. Imho, life is meant to teach us. Whether we get a second shot at it or a third is unknown. But, all in all, we gain knowledge. Maybe it's a way of strengthening our souls. Who knows ... but, hell doesn't make any sense.