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For creationists: Show evidences for creation of man

dfnj

dfnj

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Subduction Zone said:
This is a very strange and rather bent version of God that you have. At least you appear to know that your version does not exist.
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It's not bent at all. Why is it hard for you to accept an omnipotent God has no boundaries.

Prove to me my version of God does not exist? I'm not trying to prove to you my God exists. I don't care if you have faith or not.
 
dfnj

dfnj

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An omnipotent is fully capable of creating our Universe in any amount of time including all the fake fossil and carbon dating evidence. To assume God is somehow subject to the laws of physics is a delusional projection.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
dfnj said:
It's not bent at all. Why is it hard for you to accept an omnipotent God has no boundaries.

Prove to me my version of God does not exist? I'm not trying to prove to you my God exists. I don't care if you have faith or not.
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You have that backwards. You need to prove that your delusional version of God exists.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
shmogie said:
Great, no problem. You want to talk about God creating people from soil, and not your probable belief in unknown forces creating life from rocks, air, water, et al.

God created people from soil, there you go. What more do you want ? evidence I presume.

Consider this. Go out into the Arizona desert where I live, the Arizona outback, and die. I will see that your body stays out there. Now, you will bloat up as bacteria digests you, and if your body isn't first eaten by coyote's, mountain lions, weasels and other wonderful creatures, you will burst, then the creatures will eat you, digest you, poop you out, and ultimately you will become the material from which humanity was created, dirt.
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I am not asking what happen to people who die, shmogie.

I am asking how do you (creationists in general, not just “you”, personally) believe in a man can be created from dust or soil into a living human? Where are the evidences that Adam can be inert soil one moment, then magically be alive in the next?

Soil, whether you call it dust, silt or clay (there are also sandy soil) have very different molecular makeup to protein, DNA (or RNA), carbohydrates, lipids (body fat), hairs, and whatever makeup of human organs, etc.

Mica, feldspar and quartz are the most common minerals in rocks and each mineral has silicate mineral (silicon (Si) and oxygen (O) atoms), and these minerals are the most basic component in all types of soil (sandy soil, silt and clay).

In the human body, there is less than 20 x 10^-6 % of silicon, and about 870 x 10^-9 of aluminum. That's trace amount. If either of these were 1% or more, then it would be toxic.

Sandy soil come from rocks that contained quartz mineral, SiO2.

Silt soil may have either quartz or feldspar minerals. And there are 3 common but different types of feldspar:
  • KAlSi3O8
  • NaAlSi3O8
  • CaAl2Si2O8

And clay soil usually come from weathering of sedimentary rocks that mica, known as aluminum phyllosilicate minerals, Al2Si2O5. The most common clay is kaolin-type clay.

This mean these soil contain high concentration of silicates, and that mean large amount of silicons.

Such concentration of silicons doesn't exist in the human body, or with other any other animals. Trace amount of silicons don't make it as silicate.

Protein (made out of amino acids), nucleic acids (DNA & RNA) and carbonhydrates, have carbon, not silicon, in their molecules. That's what make living matters, not any silicate-based minerals.

If Adam did exist, and he was made out of soil, then there would still be silicate minerals in his descendants. There are no silicate molecules in our body.

And if nothing (animals) and no one died before Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, then how can there be any decomposed bodies be presence in the soil?

Some creationists claimed that humans and animals were all vegetarians before Noah's Flood, which if true, there would be no excrement (or poops) as you call it, containing human proteins or DNA.
 
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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
dfnj said:
What exactly do you think he claimed.
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He pointed out how ridiculous the Omphalos argument is.

And you did not seem to understand the title of this thread. You are supposed to provide evidence for creationism here. Though an open admission that your beliefs are irrational would probably be satisfactory as well.
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
dfnj said:
An omnipotent is fully capable of creating our Universe in any amount of time including all the fake fossil and carbon dating evidence. To assume God is somehow subject to the laws of physics is a delusional projection.
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And to assume such a being exists is equally delusional. What you have just shown is that the existence of such an all powerful being cannot be proved: it must be assumed. And, when assumed, it destroys the possibility of reason and knowledge. Hence, it is ultimately not just an unreasonable assumption, but an assumption *against* reason.
 
dfnj

dfnj

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Subduction Zone said:
So you are admitting that your belief is irrational. For the rational thinker belief is not a choice.
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You can claim it is irrational but I don't. On the cosmic timescale all we are is patterns of energy swirling around mindlessly and meaninglessly executing the laws of physics. But it is also meaningless that it is meaningless. So you might as well CHOOSE meaningful. And if you are going to choose meaningful why not go all the way and choose to believe in the Old Testament God. What difference does it make if we have a few irrational beliefs that make our lives have meaning and purpose. It doesn't matter. You choose your soulless life. I choose my soulful life.
 
dfnj

dfnj

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Polymath257 said:
But was it a reasonable choice? Clearly not.
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I disagree with your opinion. The interesting thing about opinions is they are neither "right" nor "wrong". Opinions cannot be lies. And nobody's opinion is a fact. Do you think your opinions are facts?
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
dfnj said:
You can claim it is irrational but I don't. On the cosmic timescale all we are is patterns of energy swirling around mindlessly and meaninglessly executing the laws of physics. But it is also meaningless that it is meaningless. So you might as well CHOOSE meaningful. And if you are going to choose meaningful why not go all the way and choose to believe in the Old Testament God. What difference does it make if we have a few irrational beliefs that make our lives have meaning and purpose. It doesn't matter. You choose your soulless life. I choose my soulful life.
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I, on the other hand, choose reason and knowledge. I reject faith as a method of finding truth. You claim I might as well choose meaning. I say you might as well choose reason and create your own meaning.
 
dfnj

dfnj

Well-Known Member
Polymath257 said:
And to assume such a being exists is equally delusional. What you have just shown is that the existence of such an all powerful being cannot be proved: it must be assumed. And, when assumed, it destroys the possibility of reason and knowledge. Hence, it is ultimately not just an unreasonable assumption, but an assumption *against* reason.
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Choosing to have faith in the existence of an omnipotent God does not require me to prove that God exists do you. You make your choice. I will make my choice.

Yes, it is completely unreasonable and irrational. That is why it is a "choice" and not a "decision". You want to make a "decision" about God. Good luck with that.
 
dfnj

dfnj

Well-Known Member
Polymath257 said:
I, on the other hand, choose reason and knowledge. I reject faith as a method of finding truth. You claim I might as well choose meaning. I say you might as well choose reason and create your own meaning.
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Good for you. I don't make the same choice as you do. At least with my choice I get to live a life that is meaningful to our Creator.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
dfnj said:
You can claim it is irrational but I don't. On the cosmic timescale all we are is patterns of energy swirling around mindlessly and meaninglessly executing the laws of physics. But it is also meaningless that it is meaningless. So you might as well CHOOSE meaningful. And if you are going to choose meaningful why not go all the way and choose to believe in the Old Testament God. What difference does it make if we have a few irrational beliefs that make our lives have meaning and purpose. It doesn't matter. You choose your soulless life. I choose my soulful life.
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That only tells us that you do not understand rational thought. Here is an example:

No matter how hard I try, no matter how much I want to believe, I can't choose to believe that I can fly like Superman.
 
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