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For Creationists: What about DNA evidence?

I do not know of any Christians who believe that Satan literally showed Jesus the entire earth from the mountain top - that would be impossible whether the earth was flat or not. Anyone 2000 years ago or 2 minutes ago would know that.

Remember Kathryn, the whole think is just a story. There is no historical confirmation of any of it. We do know that the writer of this myth, had to be unaware that the Earth is a sphere and seeing nations on the other side was impossible. The gospel writers did not know there was an "other side of the Earth." The god and god man that they invented had to fit their limited knowledge of the world. They also did not know about epilepsy and schizophrenia so they assumed those people were possessed by demons, which were also imaginary beings.

The followers of Jesus were very primitive people only recently out of the Stone Age. They knew much less than the Greeks like Eratosthenes, who by the 3rd Century BCE already knew the Earth was "round" or a sphere and measured its circumference at 25,000 miles. Aristarchus of Samos in 290 BCE knew that the Sun, not Earth was centre of the Solar system. The Greek Pytheas observed ocean tides, in the early third century B.C. This navigator found out that tides were due to the position of the Moon. Ancient Greeks had already postulated that matter was composed of invisibly small parts called Atoms. And others had proposed evolution 2000 years before Darwin did so.

By comparison with the Greeks and Chinese, the Jews were primitive savages whose superstitious world would have been laughed at in the more civilised nations. Jesus merely reflected the ignorance of an ignorant people who were amongst the mose barbaric in the Roman Empire.

Amhairghine
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Frubals for Kathryn.
The mountain top scenario is a discussion about who will rule...and who will not.
Geography was not the point.

DNA does not disprove God.
He is the Almighty Chemist.
 
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tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
DNA does not disprove God.
He is the Almighty Chemist.

Correct, DNA does not disprove God.
DNA evidence does however prove that human and chimps have a common ancestor.
Thereby disproving many commonly held Creationist beliefs.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Hey 'Weed'
Have you considered Chapter Two of Genesis?

Adam was given his twin sister for a bride.
Eve has no navel.

(I don't disagree with your last Post).
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
This item of Eve as a clone is something I enjoy.

I do this discussion in almost every forum I visit.
Would you like the full rendition?
 

camanintx

Well-Known Member
Let's say as an example that humans DNA is 96% similar to a chimps. That amounts to about 120 million base pairs of DNA difference which looks like a huge obstical for mutations to cross.
Since each generation of humans have 100 to 200 mutations in their DNA, the 120 million differences between humans and chimps could happen in about half a million generations. Even less if you consider there are multiple members of each species so some mutations could arise concurrently. This fits rather well with the fossil evidence too.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I do not know of any Christians who believe that Satan literally showed Jesus the entire earth from the mountain top - that would be impossible whether the earth was flat or not. Anyone 2000 years ago or 2 minutes ago would know that.
No, if the earth was flat, and you thought it consisted of around 500 square miles, you would probably believe you could see all of it from a high mountain. That is the Biblical world-view.
No, you're mistaken. 2000 years ago, only educated Greeks knew the earth was round. Common Jews had not yet learned that.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Job is the oldest book of the bible. Job 26:7 states that:

"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."

The oldest book of the bible describes an earth that is suspended in space.
Kinda. But clearly, not a sphere.
The Hebrew word "chuwg" is used three times in the Old Testament. It is an interesting word that is roughly translated "circle," and the three verses that use this word are beautiful and moving:

"When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:" Proverbs 8:27

"It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in." --Isaiah 40:22

"Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven." Job 22:14
Yup. A circle. A flat circle.
Let's keep in mind that the bible is not a book of science and was never meant to be. The bible, like other sacred writings, is meant to convey spiritual teachings and truths. There are very few Christians who believe that every word of the bible is to be taken literally. Obviously the books of the bible encompass many literary styles - but not one of them claims to be a science textbook.
Exactly what I'm saying.

I like the above verses though because of their implications - orbits, space, the roundness of the earth, etc. They define the earth as circular - and this definition does not limit the circle to a flat circle. The passage from Job doesn't imply a big, flat plain hanging in space either.
They only imply these things to you because science has discovered them, and you are familiar with them.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Frubals for Kathryn.
The mountain top scenario is a discussion about who will rule...and who will not.
Geography was not the point.
It's not the point, it's just assumed.

DNA does not disprove God.
He is the Almighty Chemist.

*is really getting tired of saying this* Demonstrating ToE to be true does not disprove God. It has nothing to do with proving or disproving God. It's about evidence that support ToE. Why cannot you get this through your head?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I don't have a problem with evolution OR creation.
I found a method of discussion that brings both viewpoints into harmony.
God reigns...either way.

And yes...the mountain top scenario was a discussion of hierarchy.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
And though the event is thought to be symbolic....
Does it not indicate a 'hands on' technique?

I'm not the only one to notice. Other people in other forums have made note of it.
Anyone reading the OT should have caught it.
 

nonbeliever_92

Well-Known Member
oh i've heard this trick, someone says a dirty word and someone else puts tabasco sauce or something else spicy onto the speakers- ******
great scott! that was so vulgar it was blocked by the forum!!!! :eek:
 
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