Danmac
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I didn't say I gave you a frubal, Danmac, I instructed my minions to frubal you. They may have failed to snap to, I don't know.
You must be losin your swagger.
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I didn't say I gave you a frubal, Danmac, I instructed my minions to frubal you. They may have failed to snap to, I don't know.
You must be losin your swagger.
What tests?
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This list was put together by Calilasseia over on RD net before its demise.
And as time passes more and more papers are published.
I applaud your consistency on this topic.. I realize that I came into it late, but I frubal you for your patience . Perhaps to help him understand why we accept abiogenesis we need to start with the scientific theory? Then he would understand that it truly is based on how.. Then we could work from there?O.K., get it, Danmac? Scientists do hard work. They study nature, using the scientific method. They're smart. It's hard. You don't know anything about it. So you can either spend months of your life learning about it, or you can deny that science works, or you can accept whatever progress the scientists have made.
Now take this list and multiply it by around 10,000. That's where evolution is. And they always get the same result, no matter what corner they study, everything they find is consistent with that theory. Millions of data points, and not one of them contradicts that theory. That's why biology has come to accept it as fundamental.
Try looking the articles up, it might help your arguments if you can understand what we are debating. In layman's terms this is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to evidence, and. I don't understand how he can really break the sources down into layman's terms?My head is spinning. Now can you break all of this down into laymans terms for me?
My head is spinning. Now can you break all of this down into laymans terms for me?
O.K., get it, Danmac? Scientists do hard work. They study nature, using the scientific method. They're smart. It's hard. You don't know anything about it. So you can either spend months of your life learning about it, or you can deny that science works, or you can accept whatever progress the scientists have made.
This thread is not about evolution. It is about abiogenesis. Start a thread.Now take this list and multiply it by around 10,000. That's where evolution is. And they always get the same result, no matter what corner they study, everything they find is consistent with that theory. Millions of data points, and not one of them contradicts that theory. That's why biology has come to accept it as fundamental.
Try looking the articles up, it might help your arguments if you can understand what we are debating. In layman's terms this is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to evidence, and. I don't understand how he can really break the sources down into layman's terms?
So is my response--read it more carefully. Abiogenesis is a subject of scientific study.Auto, this thread is about abiogenesis, not the credibility of science. Do you have something to add concerning the topic? If not start a thread.
I stand corrected.This thread is not about evolution. It is about abiogenesis. Start a thread.
So is my response--read it more carefully. Abiogenesis is a subject of scientific study.
I stand corrected.
It is interesting to note the difference however. Evolution we know for certain--abiogenesis we're still trying to figure out.
Pa lease
That is such a copout. Bologna. Sounds like science must exercise a little faith in this matter heh? Such double standards.
Pa lease
That is such a copout. Bologna. Sounds like science must exercise a little faith in this matter heh? Such double standards.
No. We don't know yet how life got started. Look back and see how I answered you when you asked me. The puzzle hasn't been solved. Yet.
Our experience so far is that scientific puzzles do get solved, one after another. Chances are this one will go the same way as thunder, small pox and the shape of the earth. We'll see.
So no, we don't need faith. Faith is if you say: We haven't solved the puzzle, but we still assert the answer as if it were fact. We don't do that, because we haven't. Science is humble in the face of its ignorance to date. We are however optimistic that our ignorance will continue to diminish, as long as we apply the scientific method.
Are you trying to argue against science as a way of learning about the natural world?
How is it exercising faith to say we don't yet know exactly how it happened? But we do know that it is possible for life to come from non life. And the miller urey experiments demonstrated that.
Miller Urey added intelligent design when they interfered with natural processes.
Can we rule out intelligent design?
THEY DIDN'T INTERFERE! They tried to reproduce the same atmosphere that early earth may have had.