For election fraud and conspiracy theory believers -- dump your evidence here!

[Revoltingest]

What the site shows is that voter fraud happens.
I saw no mention of Trump or 2020.
BTW, in MI, there was only 1 case from 2020.
I remembered it.
Twas was just a father trying to help his daughter
have her vote count. (I found no info on who she
wanted to vote for.) The state did ultimately accept
her ballot. So the fraud was technical, rather than
something that caused a wrongful vote.
Ref....
Canton man pleads guilty to voting fraud misdemeanor

If it's OK to quote myself....
This particular case was cited fervently by OAN as evidence
of voter fraud, implied to be against Trump. Tis fascinating
how people who should know better so often don't when
agenda is more important than understanding.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, I saw that too. I could see that it was not what the poster claimed that it was.

Now the question is did @Shaul lie or did he just copy and paste a source that he was told had the evidence needed to justify Trump's victory?

I think Shaul is an honest poster.
He didn't claim this particular incident was fraud against
Trump. We should be cautious about questioning honesty
based upon less than clear inferences.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think Shaul is an honest poster.
He didn't claim this particular incident was fraud against
Trump. We should be cautious about questioning honesty
based upon less than clear inferences.

I think that he tries to be honest too. But he either did not understand what was supposed to be posted here. Or he trusted a bogus source without checking it out. There was no evidence that would have helped Trump in his source.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think that he tries to be honest too. But he either did not understand what was supposed to be posted here. Or he trusted a bogus source without checking it out. There was no evidence that would have helped Trump in his source.

Communication is imperfect. I've been called a liar
on many occasions, even by revered posters. Why?
They presume too much, & understand too little.
Let's cut more slack, & not be like them.
Sticking to the issues is more interesting, eg, by
addressing info in the link he provided.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Subbing

 

[Secret Chief]

There is a lot of voter fraud in the USA, but it is obviously concealed by those engaged in it and by those who gain by it. What more proof could one need? Get it?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What I find the most comical is that Trump claimed mass voter fraud is what cost him the election, but every time voter fraud was found, which was almost nil, it was republicans trying to cheat Trump into office...

To be honest, I do not know which is worse, that Trump is STILL pushing the Big Lie, or that there are idiots who believe his Big Lie is true.

And yes, I am flat out calling all who believe the Big Lie idiots.
And that is because it is against forum rules to say what I really honesty think ....

I have to confess, I am coming rather more swiftly than I'd like to the notion that a significant percentage of Americans are particulary dumb, or else merely insane. Because the ideas being believed by literally millions upon millions of them are either stupid or insane.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I think Shaul is an honest poster.
He didn't claim this particular incident was fraud against
Trump. We should be cautious about questioning honesty
based upon less than clear inferences.

Sometimes, honesty isn't enough to cut it, however. Yes, people can defend what they honestly believe, but it is well understood that there are beliefs that people hold -- and defend -- that they need professional help to get over. Read any of the books by Dr. Oliver Sachs for excellent examples.

And the truth is this, too: many people believe many truly ridiculous things.

1 in 5 Americans believe that Barrack Obama is a Muslim, despite the fact that he has attended Christian Churches for most of his entire life.
1 in 5 Americans believe that George W. Bush was a great President, despite the fact that his approval numbers were around 20% during his last months in office – the lowest in modern history.
1 in 5 Americans believe that witches are real.
1 in 5 Americans (and this is unbelievable, but it’s from Northwestern University) believe that the sun revolves around the earth.
1 in 5 Americans believe that the apocalypse will happen in their lifetime.
1 in 5 Americans believe that cannabis is significantly more dangerous than alcohol.
1 in 5 Americans believe in alien abductions. (I think that means that the aliens have 4 fifths of Americans right where they want them.)

 

[Revoltingest]

Sometimes, honesty isn't enough to cut it, however. Yes, people can defend what they honestly believe, but it is well understood that there are beliefs that people hold -- and defend -- that they need professional help to get over.

I see over 95% (+/- 5%) of people believing something loopy.
So I don't get worked up over this.

Read any of the books by Dr. Oliver Sachs for excellent examples.

And the truth is this, too: many people believe many truly ridiculous things.

1 in 5 Americans believe that Barrack Obama is a Muslim, despite the fact that he has attended Christian Churches for most of his entire life.
1 in 5 Americans believe that George W. Bush was a great President, despite the fact that his approval numbers were around 20% during his last months in office – the lowest in modern history.
1 in 5 Americans believe that witches are real.
1 in 5 Americans (and this is unbelievable, but it’s from Northwestern University) believe that the sun revolves around the earth.
1 in 5 Americans believe that the apocalypse will happen in their lifetime.
1 in 5 Americans believe that cannabis is significantly more dangerous than alcohol.
1 in 5 Americans believe in alien abductions. (I think that means that the aliens have 4 fifths of Americans right where they want them.)

And may believe in the Military Industrial Complex Conspiracy,
in this or that god, in Socialism as the best economic system,
etc, etc.
Again, nothing I'm too concerned about.

 

[ecco]

I have to confess, I am coming rather more swiftly than I'd like to the notion that a significant percentage of Americans are particulary dumb, or else merely insane. Because the ideas being believed by literally millions upon millions of them are either stupid or insane.

And the truth is this, too: many people believe many truly ridiculous things.

1 in 5 Americans believe that Barrack Obama is a Muslim, despite the fact that he has attended Christian Churches for most of his entire life.
1 in 5 Americans believe that George W. Bush was a great President, despite the fact that his approval numbers were around 20% during his last months in office – the lowest in modern history.
1 in 5 Americans believe that witches are real.
1 in 5 Americans (and this is unbelievable, but it’s from Northwestern University) believe that the sun revolves around the earth.
1 in 5 Americans believe that the apocalypse will happen in their lifetime.
1 in 5 Americans believe that cannabis is significantly more dangerous than alcohol.
1 in 5 Americans believe in alien abductions. (I think that means that the aliens have 4 fifths of Americans right where they want them.)

I am willing to bet that the vast majority of those 1 in 5's believe Trump should be president.
I am willing to bet that the vast majority of those 1 in 5's are very religious Christians.

 

[ecco]

Man tosses severed head at voting station as Mexico's midterm election violence rages

Man Tosses Severed Head at Voting Station as Mexico's Midterm Election Violence Rages

BY REBECCA KLAPPER ON 6/6/21 AT 5:57 PM EDT

A man threw a severed head at a voting station in Tijuana, Mexico, on Sunday, the latest in what has been one of Mexico's bloodiest elections in recent years, Reuters reported.


According to security consultancy Etellekt, 91 politicians have been killed since the beginning of the election cycle in September.​

It's not that bad here, yet.

 

[Suave]

Sometimes, honesty isn't enough to cut it, however. Yes, people can defend what they honestly believe, but it is well understood that there are beliefs that people hold -- and defend -- that they need professional help to get over. Read any of the books by Dr. Oliver Sachs for excellent examples.

And the truth is this, too: many people believe many truly ridiculous things.

1 in 5 Americans believe that Barrack Obama is a Muslim, despite the fact that he has attended Christian Churches for most of his entire life.
1 in 5 Americans believe that George W. Bush was a great President, despite the fact that his approval numbers were around 20% during his last months in office – the lowest in modern history.
1 in 5 Americans believe that witches are real.
1 in 5 Americans (and this is unbelievable, but it’s from Northwestern University) believe that the sun revolves around the earth.
1 in 5 Americans believe that the apocalypse will happen in their lifetime.
1 in 5 Americans believe that cannabis is significantly more dangerous than alcohol.
1 in 5 Americans believe in alien abductions. (I think that means that the aliens have 4 fifths of Americans right where they want them.)

The U.S. has an above average national I.Q. score of 98, Singapore has the highest national I.Q. score of 107, and Equatorial Guinea has the lowest national I.Q. score of 59.


IQ by Country and Economy - I.Q and Human Intelligence.

 

[Kooky]

I see over 95% (+/- 5%) of people believing something loopy.
So I don't get worked up over this.

Yea, this is a board that platforms literal fascists (as in, followers of Mussolini, Hitler et al), after all.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yea, this is a board that platforms literal fascists (as in, followers of Mussolini, Hitler et al), after all.

What a strange non sequitur.

 

[ecco]

The U.S. has an above average national I.Q. score of 98, Singapore has the highest national I.Q. score of 107, and Equatorial Guinea has the lowest national I.Q. score of 59.

IQ is not directly correlated to belief in conspiracy nonsense. Beliefs in conspiracy nonsense stems far more from early indoctrination into fundamentalist religious beliefs than from base IQ. Keep in mind that Christian evangelicals are a major block that voted for Trump:

Why QAnon Has Attracted So Many White Evangelicals

QAnon revolves around the baseless belief that former President Donald Trump is fighting a secret war against a global cabal of Democratic elites who are Satan-worshipping, cannibalistic pedophiles. Much of the lore comes from online posts, called “drops,” written by an anonymous person known as “Q” who claims to have insider knowledge. As the QAnon movement has become more culturally significant — QAnon believers were among those who took part in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol building — surveys have attempted to identify just how many Americans believe in this conspiracy. While that picture is still murky, it’s become increasingly apparent that this movement has attracted a significant number of white evangelical Christians, which could have implications for the movement’s future. Evangelicals, after all, played an important role in shoring up the Tea Party’s growth and influence.
​

We can also see that from posts here on RF.

 

[Kooky]

What a strange non sequitur.

You don't consider fascism loopy?

 

[Revoltingest]

You don't consider fascism loopy?

No.