Audie
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I thimk "acting on whim" refers to an aspect of
self indulgence- making what doing one FEELS like doing the prime consideration.
We are taught, not as religion, that self indulgence is the root of all evil.
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For Religious Folks: What Do You Think of This Quote?
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I thimk "acting on whim" refers to an aspect of
self indulgence- making what doing one FEELS like doing the prime consideration.
We are taught, not as religion, that self indulgence is the root of all evil.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
"We Attain Bhagavan ..": Not correct. No God there, IMV.
"No religion teaches us to live according to our whims and fancies; no religion asks us to acquire wealth and property for our personal needs alone.": It is not religion that says this, it is the society. Religions just repeat the rules of their society.
@Ella S. , yes, Hindu LHP views say that.
"No religion teaches us to live according to our whims and fancies; no religion asks us to acquire wealth and property for our personal needs alone.": It is not religion that says this, it is the society. Religions just repeat the rules of their society.
@Ella S. , yes, Hindu LHP views say that.
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Psalm23
Well-Known Member
Probably true in many religions.
Its a generalization for sure.
I'm not sure one could list all the religions if they tried, they are so numerous.
I don't know every single religion out there, but I'd say that's about right. One of the basis of most religions is the spirit of community. If you're a selfish person you wouldn't fit into a community, where normally people share and help each other.
InChrist
Free4ever
From my perspective, I believe the the message of the blog post; that reaching God or attaining the divine state is possible through one path or another, adherence to the tenets of any religion and subduing one’s whims and fancies is entirely false. I am not trying to quarrel about religion, nor even discounting the great benefits of controlling one’s selfish whims and fancies or the importance of considering the needs of others. Those are good things.
Nevertheless, I believe from my own experience and biblical revelation, that no matter how much self-control one practices or how many good deeds one does, it is not enough to make up for the numerous times we fall short and will never be enough to bridge the gulf between human imperfection and God’s perfection.
Just my thoughts.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
I agree. We are not alone on this earth, so thinking of others, even moreso than yourself, is good teaching.
PERFECT! thank you!
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Having read the link, there's nothing there I'd disagree or take issue with. Particularly the passage on effacing the ego, and the need for humility as the means to achieve this.
MyM
Well-Known Member
In Islam, there is a time for this and a time for that. We are to worship Allah in almost everything we do. Saying Bismilleh (before eating or almost every task we do) is a form of worship (for example)
For being with your family and friends and to do the things you love to do-(not bad things) there is nothing wrong with that. But we are not to over indulge in matters that take one away from the worship of Allah. For Allah says,
"Know that the life of this world is but amusement and diversion and adornment and boasting to one another and competition in increase of wealth and children - like the example of a rain whose [resulting] plant growth pleases the tillers; then it dries and you see it turned yellow; then it becomes [scattered] debris. And in the Hereafter is severe punishment and forgiveness from Allah and approval. And what is the worldly life except the enjoyment of delusion." 57:20
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Doesn't it suggest engaging in greed, indulgence, hedonism, carnal delights, etc.
, but in moderation not compulsion?
The pastor is the shepherd. The flock are the sheep, who mindlessly follow.
Reverend Robert Schuller elicited donations to his church to build the Crystal Cathedral, and his mindless sheep assumed that they were donating to their church (owned by all), but really, they were donating to Robert Schuller, personally.
Robert Schuller sold the Chrystal Cathedral for $50 million....his own personal profit.
I could give you plenty of similar examples, but what is the point? Everyone knows that the pastors are in it for fleecing the sheep (pigeons in con man parlance).
Hmm...awfully good inticement to join the faith.
As with most things....there are more than two hands.
They say that the Pentagon proves that there are at least 5 sides to every military opinion. Notice that the pentagram and Pentagon seem to share motives.
To an extent, yes. Moderation was the key phrase I was referring to mostly in my posts as being why I consider it to say don't follow your whims and fancies.
See the average person will use and abuse these things to detriment. While LHP teaches us not to be mastered by ones desires.
RE: FINANCIAL ADVICE FROM CHURCHES:
In law, you learn not to make overly broad sweeping statements like "all" or "none," because those are hard (or impossible) to prove.
"No religion" is a negative, and negative assertions (with words like "no" or "not") are notoriously difficult to prove. There used to be a law of logic that stated that "you can't prove a negative," but now most logicians realize that the law violates itself because it contains a negative (the word "can't)."
investment advice from churches - Google Search
The Google search, above, shows many examples of churches that give financial advice.
RE: LIVE ACCORDING TO OUR WHIMS AND FANCIES:
Puritans believe that song and dance are tools of the devil. They don't indulge in many whims or fancies. Also strict are Quakers, Seventh Day Adventists, and Amish.
Of course, they get rewards in other ways. Honesty makes their communities peaceful and productive. Hard toil makes their bread fresh baked. Clean living makes their bodies pure, healthy, and long lived. Many outside of their religions pine for the simple life.
I try to use moderation in moderation.
If you look up Reverend Tex Watson (a member of the murderous Manson clan), you will see that he explained that his parent's expectation to get a college degree stressed him to murder. Apparently Reverend Tex Watson acted on his murderous whims, showing no constraint, even when it came to taking life from an innocent beautiful actress who had her whole life in front of her. I see nothing in Reverend Tex Watson's diatribe to suggest that he has changed his mind or mended his ways.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
It's one of the areas I agree with them. They go on later to explain that indulgence is not impulsiveness (subjected to whims and fancies, so to speak). It's more about not denying one's self finer things if they so wish and also about rational self-interest.