Just_me_Mike
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Applaud the bible not me, I am just saying what the bible says.
Again brilliant comment :clap
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For those interested in the Book of Genesis...
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Again brilliant comment :clap
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Romans 11
"33": O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Epehsians 1
"9": Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Philippians 2
"13": For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Seems pretty simple to me
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
I agree, trying to understand God is all but futile.
Indeed, but I personally think that rather than trying to understand God's motives... we need to learn about our motives and how to address our actions for the betterment of humanity.
I agree... dogmatic adherence to single interpretations of tales like Genesis is totally counter to spiritual growth.
wa:do
:clap nice :clap
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Wow, what a jokester.
How about offering something that warrants the badge next to your name that implies you earned it.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Again, this is a starting point to talk about this book. Painted wolf (I don't think) was implying I think my way of reading it is the only way. I never claimed that.
Very well, then, I offer this deal: suggest three scholarly commentaries on Parashat B’rei**** (your choice) and we'll walk through it verse by verse.
I offer:
- Genesis: the JPS Torah Commentary by Sarna
- The Torah: A Modern Commentary by Plautt
- Five Books of Moses: A Translation with Commentary by Alter
- Commentary on the Torah by Friedman
- NET Bible paticularly for its notes
- The Judaica Press Complete Tanach for the Rashi commentary
- The New English Translation of the Septuagint for completeness
- Targum Pseudo-Jonathan and Onkelos for color
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Wait a minute, am I to start copying and pasting other peoples views to have a discussion with you? Is that what you want to do? You want to pit someone elses thoughts (that not of your own) against me? I thought maybe you had your own words to offer.
Unless I misunderstand your proposal, than I apologize.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
He wants to give you sources so you can see some of the wide range of thought on the nature of the scriptures.
Not all of them will likely be opinions he shares... but all will be of merit.
wa:do
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
I can understand that, but based of his or her remarks so far, I seriously doubt the motive behind presenting these was for my literary enjoyment. Unless I am wrong this is what I am being asked to debate.
This from the eisegete who gave us ...What a joke ... :biglaugh:
I was asking you to discuss informed opinion. It was foolish of me.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
No, it was for your education... Jay is a firm believer in "tough love".
If you are going to discuss different interpretations of Genesis, then you are going to need a broad base of knowledge to work from... including non-christian points of view.
wa:do
ps. Sorry if I misstate your purpose or position on this Jay.
You're doing fine.
McBell
Unbound
Seems to me, and correct me jay if I am mistaken, that Jay is trying to even the debate field by providing you some sources that he will be drawing from.
It also seems to me that if you are unwilling to level the playing field by providing the sources you will be drawing from, then there will not be much use in his spending his time in such an uneven debate.
In other words, he is attempting to set up a common ground from with which to debate.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Where do I begin? First let me say what I quoted was from the bible not a seperate book talking about the bible, and seeing this is a thread about the bible it only make sense to quote the bible.
Secondly no, you did not ask me to discuss anything with you. You have been rude the whole time.
Third, I am not very familiar with the texts you provided so I would have to read them first. Which I don't mind doing as I love to read anything that pertains to this subject matter. I would ask you what makes these authors any more informed than me? Is it because you don't like what I am saying? I am not sure...
So if you don't mind and can debate without being childish, I will read the links you gave me and we can go from there. So I accept your "deal", as long as you can talk to me like an adult. Is that fair enough?
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
No, it was for your education... Jay is a firm believer in "tough love".
If you are going to discuss different interpretations of Genesis, then you are going to need a broad base of knowledge to work from... including non-christian points of view.
wa:do
ps. Sorry if I misstate your purpose or position on this Jay.
Wow I must being saying something very threatening for everyone to assume I think I have the only truth. This happens to be my thread, so I can say what I want. If someone doesn't like it they don't have to read it.
When did I EVER say I have a problem reading other interpretations of Genesis? I didn't. the tone that was being directed at me was neither inviting, or inidicative of adult like discussion.
So, it is moronic to think I would have a problem debating on common ground, but that is not the attitude that was being presented by Jay. Instead it was one of an insensative prick.
Ah, mon cher, :kissbette most here would tell you that I am a very sensitive prick. (I'm particularly sensitive to vapid apologetics.)
Oh well, I retract my offer. But just to show you that I mean well, I'll leave you the reading list. After all, a little scholarship can't hurt ...
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Oh I get it now. You must be Jewish? And I have offended you?
Even if you are not Jewish, I did look at the links you provided.
Because you lacked the aptitude to tell me what exactly you wanted to debate, there is no real place to start. You start bad mouthing, and then say OK lets debate. What exactly do you want to debate?
Oh well you retract the offer. I'll try to sleep tonight, it will be hard though.