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For those of you who are always right...

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
It's getting tiresome. As a 9 1/2 year member of RF, I never cease to be amazed by those posters who cannot even begin to conceive of the idea that someone else may have a valid point. I just started reading a fantastic book. I'm going to quote something from page 2:

"We all inhabit geographical, linguistic, and social words that shape our vision and our impressions of what is normal, what is real. Our worldview is a collective set of assumptions we carry with us that condition every question we ask. These 'paradigms' make it possible to guide inquiry, but they can also limit and impede our inquiry. They can get us off on the wrong foot, obscure our line of sight, or simply misdirect our focus. This is because, all too often, we don't realize the limiting assumptions with which we are working."

If you are one of those people who can never acknowledge even the possibility that you don't have all the answers, and know better than all the rest of us what "Truth-with-a-capitol-T" is, you have no idea how frustrating it can be for the rest of us to try to have a mature dialogue with you. Every one of us is coming from a distinctly unique place. I would venture a guess that the vast majority of those who come here for religious debate and discussion genuinely believe that their perspective is correct. They do so because of what they've been taught, what they've experienced, and what faith, reason, or a combination of the two tells them is correct. It is, of course, possible, that some people haven't ventured very far out of the box, and haven't given much thought to any perspective other than their own. I really feel sorry for them, whether they have come to some of the same conclusions as I have or not.

This constant, "I'm right, brother, and you're wrong," is starting to annoy me to no end. (You know who you are.) How about saying, "I believe..." or "From my perspective..." or "The way I see it..." for a change? None of us knows anything "for sure." God (and yes, I'm going to assume He exists because the idea that He does resonates very strongly with me) has not handpicked you to be the purveyor of all truth while letting the rest of us wallow in ignorance. Believe what you will. Stand up for what you believe. But for Heaven's sake, stop equating what you believe to be true with fact, because it's not. It's your belief, your opinion, your perspective. That's all it is. And try to let up a little with respect to the condescending responses. It's making all of us despise you. This has nothing to do with what's true and what isn't. It has everything to do with your attitude.
 
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savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Bravo.

1 Corinthians 3:7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth. 8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor. 9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
I don't understand. If I can't explain to people why I'm objectively right about everything then how will other people learn just how wrong they are?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Katzy:
Aye they're the types who trumpet that they're right cuz of logic & evidence, yet wield the stuff so
poorly. Watch'm level accusations of "intellectual dishonesty", which translates as "I know I'm right
cuz I see so many things which confirm I'm right that you should just accept what I say as gospel."
Or they're better cuz they're from a certain country or a certain part of a country. Or their political
party has "science" on their side (even though they have no expertise in science themselves), &
therefore they're right because of the company they keep.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
It's getting tiresome.

It has everything to do with your attitude.

Hi there again. So what's your impression on intent here? To what extent do you feel people know they're doing this, or is it mostly unintentional? Perhaps we've all come across this way occasionally. But obviously some a ton more than others.

Personally, I find it hard to judge intent ... at least in the beginning. When it's pointed out by several others though, and it still continues, then I tend to start thinking the person won't get it or can't get it. Now that sounds ridiculously insulting, but yes I do share you ideas on it being tiresome. :)
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
:yes: and :clap Katzpur.

Know-it-all-ism is easily of the most well represented religions here.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Hi there again. So what's your impression on intent here?
It's kind of just a rant, I guess. I'm generally fairly even-tempered, but the last day or so I've just run into one too many people who have pushed one too many of my buttons one too many times. I can't name names, but I'm sure that a number of posters will know exactly who I'm talking about.

To what extent do you feel people know they're doing this, or is it mostly unintentional? Perhaps we've all come across this way occasionally. But obviously some a ton more than others.
I honestly don't know whether it's intentional or not. That's probably the other reason for this thread (besides it being a rant). I really think some people would benefit greatly by stepping back and seeing how they come across to everybody else. No one likes being around someone who absolutely has to have the last word, no matter what. No one likes being told repeatedly in a very condescending manner that they just don't understand "the Truth." I probably believe in the concept of "absolute truth" as much as anybody here. But I do at least try to consider the possibility that I could actually still learn a thing or two in my search for it.

Personally, I find it hard to judge intent ... at least in the beginning.
You're right, it is hard to judge in the beginning. But most of us aren't so stupid that we don't catch on eventually. Some of the most stimulating conversations I have had on RF are with people whose ideas are diametrically opposed to mine. They haven't convinced me that they're right and I know I haven't convinced them that I am, but we have both learned that there is more than one side to every question and more than one way of looking at every issue. You can't do that as long as you hold yourself morally and intellectually above everybody else. I just hope a couple of these "offenders" see themselves and decide to try a different approach in the future.
 
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StarryNightshade

Spiritually confused Jew
Premium Member
It's getting tiresome. As a 9 1/2 year member of RF, I never cease to be amazed by those posters who cannot even begin to conceive of the idea that someone else may have a valid point. I just started reading a fantastic book. I'm going to quote something from page 2:

"We all inhabit geographical, linguistic, and social words that shape our vision and our impressions of what is normal, what is real. Our worldview is a collective set of assumptions we carry with us that condition every question we ask. These 'paradigms' make it possible to guide inquiry, but they can also limit and impede our inquiry. They can get us off on the wrong foot, obscure our line of sight, or simply misdirect our focus. This is because, all too often, we don't realize the limiting assumptions with which we are working."

If you are one of those people who can never acknowledge even the possibility that you don't have all the answers, and know better than all the rest of us what "Truth-with-a-capitol-T" is, you have no idea how frustrating it can be for the rest of us to try to have a mature dialogue with you. Every one of us is coming from a distinctly unique place. I would venture a guess that the vast majority of those who come here for religious debate and discussion genuinely believe that their perspective is correct. They do so because of what they've been taught, what they've experienced, and what faith, reason, or a combination of the two tells them is correct. It is, of course, possible, that some people haven't ventured very far out of the box, and haven't given much thought to any perspective other than their own. I really feel sorry for them, whether they have come to some of the same conclusions as I have or not.

This constant, "I'm right, brother, and you're wrong," is starting to annoy me to no end. (You know who you are.) How about saying, "I believe..." or "From my perspective..." or "The way I see it..." for a change? None of us knows anything "for sure." God (and yes, I'm going to assume He exists because the idea that He does resonates very strongly with me) has not handpicked you to be the purveyor of all truth while letting the rest of us wallow in ignorance. Believe what you will. Stand up for what you believe. But for Heaven's sake, stop equating what you believe to be true with fact, because it's not. It's your belief, your opinion, your perspective. That's all it is. And try to let up a little with respect to the condescending responses. It's making all of us despise you. This has nothing to do with what's true and what isn't. It has everything to do with your attitude.

InB4 people comment on this tread and completely miss the point of the OP.

Speaking of which, nice OP, Katzpur. :yes:
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Thanks for your reply. We think along the same lines. Generally the end comes when the annoying stuff gets me out of the thread, which then again is possibly misinterpreted by said people as a win. But life is not some battle like that, is it?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Thanks for your reply. We think along the same lines. Generally the end comes when the annoying stuff gets me out of the thread, which then again is possibly misinterpreted by said people as a win. But life is not some battle like that, is it?
I don't think those people realize how lame it looks when they
trumpet a win just cuz their tedious antics drive others away.
 

Wirey

Fartist
Pffttt! You're just jealous of how I really am right all the time.

Butter and margarine are the same thing! Wake up, sheeple!
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I like to believe that some of it is because of poor communication skills or communication style.

On the poor communication skills side, many are not mindful of the tone of their words. I know I am not always mindful of it myself, and it would be impudence to expect others to never make the mistakes I make myself. The words that they speak or write do not fully or correctly convey what they wish to say.

On the other side, I think our society encourages communication styles that are severe, authoritative, and pushy. If you sound "wishy washy" that's considered a bad thing or a sign of weakness. In some works I read on communication skills a few months ago, they all scathed weasel words and couching your statements on subjective qualifiers and pushed sounding like you knew it all. It was, well, to my mind, moronic. That type of communication style doesn't encourage dialogue, it encourages dictatorship!

But even I have to admit that there are personality types out there who have this need to be right. And not only a need to be right for themselves, but a need to be right for everybody else. I have a hard time understanding that need, because it's not one I feel myself. And that's okay. Such people tend to annoy me to no end and I'll quickly bow out of discussions with them most of the time, but they bring a diversity to human society that I nonetheless appreciate.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I have a desire to be right. But I find it more peaceful & comodious to keep it in check.
To fervently argue does have its place. But to opine, question & wonder is usually better
to encourage discussion.

I'm right about this, btw.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
I have thought that being right just depends on what angle you wanna take. Often times people even argue when they are both right and people just end up trying to push a point of view as more objective. However nothing can more objective, it is all subjective and objectivity depends a lot on whats being communicated.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Trouble is there are a few on here that are always right. Oops, guess I just disqualified myself.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
I've been told to go away, that I'm ignorant, that I'm nutso, or mostly just ignored.
And you know.....they're all right....and they are all right about me.
But I can't help it, Im old and crochity and a chermudgeone, hell 'mud' is in my name.
But.......no-one can be right all the time...look at me !
Going nowhere with this and I don't want to forget it, hell...where's godnotgod !
I bet he knows it all, except for that 'I' thing and consciousness...maybe ?
nuff stuff
~
'mud
 
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