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For those of you who are always right...

Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
..The Battle of Britain was a sideshow, glorious and all that, what with Churchill quotes and all, but still a sideshow. Britain was saved by US Convoys then lend-lease.
The truth is that Nazi Germany was not interested in and did not really try to build a bomb. Combined with the Norwegian heavy water sabotage and the Allies decision to bomb both the Nazi heavy water supply and their heavy water plant, a German bomb was not even on the horizon..

The Battle of Britain stopped Adolf's invasion plans in their tracks and made him take the easier option to invade Russia instead..:)
And if he wasn't interested in developing an atom bomb, what was his factory in Norway producing heavy water for, to make ice cream?..:)
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
Yes the Battle of Britain staled Germany's invasion plan. But ... had it not been for lend-lease and then the USA entering the war, you'd all be speaking German anyway, and so might all of Europe and a big chunk of what was the USSR.

The German High Command and Hitler never showed any interest in atomic weapons. Here's the intoduction to the wiki article on the subject:

The German nuclear weapon project (German: Uranprojekt; informally known as the Uranverein; English: Uranium Society or Uranium Club), was a clandestine scientific effort led by Germany to develop and produce nuclear weapons during World War II. This program started in April 1939, just months after the discovery of nuclear fission in January 1939, but ended only months later due to the German invasion of Poland, after many notable physicists were drafted into the Wehrmacht.

A second effort began under the administrative purview of the Wehrmacht's Heereswaffenamt on 1 September 1939, the day of the Invasion of Poland. The program eventually expanded into three main efforts: the Uranmaschine (nuclear reactor), uranium and heavy water production, and uranium isotope separation. Eventually it was assessed that nuclear fission would not contribute significantly to ending the war, and in January 1942, the Heereswaffenamt turned the program over to the Reich Research Council while continuing to fund the program. The program was split up among nine major institutes where the directors dominated the research and set their own objectives. Subsequently, the number of scientists working on applied nuclear fission began to diminish, with many applying their talents to more pressing war-time demands.

The most influential people in the Uranverein were Kurt Diebner, Abraham Esau, Walther Gerlach, and Erich Schumann; Schumann was one of the most powerful and influential physicists in Germany. Diebner, throughout the life of the nuclear weapon project, had more control over nuclear fission research than did Walther Bothe, Klaus Clusius, Otto Hahn, Paul Harteck, or Werner Heisenberg. Abraham Esau was appointed as Hermann Göring's plenipotentiary for nuclear physics research in December 1942; Walther Gerlach succeeded him in December 1943.

Politicization of the German academia under the National Socialist regime had driven many physicists, engineers, and mathematicians out of Germany as early as 1933. Those of Jewish heritage who did not leave were quickly purged from German institutions, further thinning the ranks of academia. The politicization of the universities, along with the demands for manpower by the German armed forces (many scientists and technical personnel were conscripted, despite possessing useful skills), would eventually all but eliminate a generation of physicists.[1]

At the end of the war, the Allied powers competed to obtain surviving components of the nuclear industry (personnel, facilities, and materiel), as they did with the V-2 program.
 

Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
As early as 1938 Goering was dreaming of clobbering America-

"I completely lack the bombers capable of round-trip flights to New York with a 5-ton bomb load. I would be extremely happy to possess such a bomber which would at last stuff the mouth of arrogance across the sea."-Hermann Goering 1938
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And commissioned a plane to do it-
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Their scientists were pretty good, so if America hadn't entered the war, they'd have been able to develop the a-bomb without interference.
A nazi study of the effects of an atomic bomb blast on NY-
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Sapiens

Polymathematician
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As early as 1938 Goering was dreaming of clobbering America-

"I completely lack the bombers capable of round-trip flights to New York with a 5-ton bomb load. I would be extremely happy to possess such a bomber which would at last stuff the mouth of arrogance across the sea."-Hermann Goering 1938
Goering1943.jpg




And commissioned a plane to do it-
amerbomb.jpg


amerikabombr.jpg



Their scientists were pretty good, so if America hadn't entered the war, they'd have been able to develop the a-bomb without interference.
A nazi study of the effects of an atomic bomb blast on NY-
Oct43LuftmapA-bomb.jpg
The evidence is:
1. the 264 was never built (one prototype) and
2. the German A-Bomb did not have enough political support and
3. Germany did not have enough money, the Manhattan Project cost $26 billion in 2014 dollars.
4. Goering was never in favor (one major effect of the BoB).

Just wasn't happening.
 
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Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
In fact Adolf could have bombed America with the planes he already had (Condors), dropping standard high-explosive bombs.
This one had already flown nonstop from Berlin to NY before the war-

WIKI- "In 1938, Focke-Wulf 200 Condor D-ACON 'Brandenburg' (below) made a record-breaking nonstop flight across the Atlantic from Berlin to Floyd Bennett field in Brooklyn, New York.
The 4,075 miles flight took 24 hours and 57 minutes against strong headwinds, at an average speed of 164 MPH "


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It could only carry enough fuel for the one-way trip, but Hitler might have been crazy enough to order one to bomb the guts out of Manhattan after the war started, and then ditch out at sea where the crew could be picked up by U-boat, just to score a propaganda victory..
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
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The evidence is:
1. the 264 was never built (one prototype) and
2. the German A-Bomb did not have enough political support and
3. Germany did not have enough money, the Manhattan Project cost $26 billion in 2014 dollars.
4. Goering was never in favor (one major effect of the BoB).

Just wasn't happening.

And the V-2 didn't fly until after Normandy....
damn good thing!
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Here's true-life FUNNY..:)-
The local vicar turned up on his pedal-bike at my sister and bro-in-laws house 40 years ago to offer comfort after they'd just lost a baby in a cot death.
As they all sat sipping tea,their toddler daughter came walking in awkwardly from the back yard where she'd been playing on her bike and said- "Mam, me knickers have got stuck up me bum again!"
Shock, horror, what a thing to say in front of a vicar!
But he never batted an eye, he took another sip of tea and said "Oh dear, I sometimes have that problem too when I'm out cycling".
"We had to laugh" said my sister later..:)

Haha - true story here too:

When my parents were young and beautiful, they were stationed in Japan. They joined a local church, and the pastor came over, along with some church ladies, to welcome them.

My mother is a painter - and a pretty darn good one. She had several of her paintings displayed around the house, including a copy of this one which has always hung above the bed in the master bedroom, and which the family affectionately calls "Pinky."

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The pastor admired a painting in the living room and said, "This is lovely - look at the attention to detail!" The church ladies cooed admiringly.

Then my mother said, "Well, if you think that's good, come upstairs and let me show you my Pinky."
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Big deal.....
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A gal who once worked for me was asked to volunteer some time to help the hungry.
She couldn't....her "plate was full".
 

Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
There was a six-part series on Brit TV a few years ago about Exeter Cathedral and the people who ran it.
At one point, they interviewed a young vicar among the trees and bushes of the small cathedral garden and he said with a smile-
"I often come out here for some peace and quiet, but I have to be careful what I get up to because the garden is overlooked by buildings and windows on all sides"..:)

(PS- I mention it because it's a good example of how true Christians don't take life seriously and are always ready to poke fun at themselves)
 
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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
(PS- I mention it because it's a good example of how true Christians don't take life seriously and are always ready to poke fun at themselves)

This is completely true, as long as your definition of 'true Christian' includes belief in Christ, ability to see the lighter side of life, and being ready to poke fun at themselves.

If you run to a more standard definition, you'll find that there is variance amongst Christians.
 

Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
Shuttlecraft quote: true Christians don't take life seriously and are always ready to poke fun at themselves
This is completely true, as long as your definition of 'true Christian' includes belief in Christ, ability to see the lighter side of life, and being ready to poke fun at themselves.
If you run to a more standard definition, you'll find that there is variance amongst Christians.

Just because somebody says they're a Christian doesn't mean they ARE..:)
Jesus said-"Not all who call me "Lord,Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then I'll tell them plainly, I never knew you, get away from me" (Matt 7:21-23)

The phonies are easy to spot because they bore the krap out of everybody!
Of all the so-called "Christians" I've known in my life, I estimate only about 5% are true Christians, and the other 95% are tosspots!

I'd define a True Christian as "somebody who makes you feel good".
it's as if their good vibes rub off on people-
"As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another" (Proverbs 27:17)

For example in the true book 'Wagons West' about the early wagon trains across America, one Christian guy and his family were heading to Oregon to start a small church, and the rest of the train were impressed with his goodnatured cheerfullness which rubbed off on the whole train and they said something like- "he was always lending a helping hand when misfortune hit us, and kept his good spirits even when it was his own wagon that overturned"..
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Just because somebody says they're a Christian doesn't mean they ARE..:)

Agreed

I'd define a True Christian as "somebody who makes you feel good".
it's as if their good vibes rub off on people-
"As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another" (Proverbs 27:17)

I'm assuming there is some relationship with Jesus somewhere along the line also. Based purely on the above, there'd be some mighty strange tags of 'Christian' being thrown around.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Just because somebody says they're a Christian doesn't mean they ARE..:)
Jesus said-"Not all who call me "Lord,Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then I'll tell them plainly, I never knew you, get away from me" (Matt 7:21-23)

The phonies are easy to spot because they bore the krap out of everybody!
Of all the so-called "Christians" I've known in my life, I estimate only about 5% are true Christians, and the other 95% are tosspots!

I'd define a True Christian as "somebody who makes you feel good".
it's as if their good vibes rub off on people-
"As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another" (Proverbs 27:17)

For example in the true book 'Wagons West' about the early wagon trains across America, one Christian guy and his family were heading to Oregon to start a small church, and the rest of the train were impressed with his goodnatured cheerfullness which rubbed off on the whole train and they said something like- "he was always lending a helping hand when misfortune hit us, and kept his good spirits even when it was his own wagon that overturned"..

I wouldn't quote it quite that way.
Iron against iron .......(swordplay?)
Are you offering technique or wordplay?

As for making people feel good.....you ask the devil as much.

I've heard the Lord rules with an iron rod.
probably won't feel good.
 
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