Should Fauci and Birx resign in protest?
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For those opposed to Trump's handling of the COVID-19 crisis
- Thread starter Jayhawker Soule
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i have to commend them. in the face of adversity, they have persisted. it has to be exhausting.
And then what when they do? "Ladies and Gentlemen, not even God can sink this great vessel named the Titanic". It's kind of like giving the engines all they got, full steam ahead, and then breaking off the steering wheel with only Captain Trump at the helm, as the rest of the crew abandoned ship. "We're all going to die," would be the passengers expected response.
From the White House Coronavirus Task Force? Possibly.
From their other roles in the public service? Probably not.
The Coronavirus Task Force is (supposedly) charged with overseeing the White House's response to COVID-19. If the Administration is being uncooperative in letting them fulfill their mission, it would be appropriate to step down from their positions on the grounds that they aren't able to do what they had committed to do.
Both Fauci and Brix have other responsibilities; the fact that they're apparently being blocked on COVID-19 doesn't necessarily mean that they need to step down from their roles on other public health matters (including roles to do with informing and advising the administration on COVID-19 issues, rather than actually overseeing the administration's response to the crisis).
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That exactly. They are acting with the sense of civic duty and responsibility that we very desperately need, and are the voice of reason from the White House for those who aren't in denial and/or psychotically unconcerned about the wellbeing of ithers. If the quit, they are abandoning us, they are abandoning the nationing, and thats not a protest, thats negligence.
You just cant give up on your patient because things are hard. Amd indeed the nation is very sick.
Resignation would be a statement without effect.
Terry Sampson
Well-Known Member
Kinda like most posts in RF.
It depends on whether their resignation would increase their ability to get the message out or not. And that is a close call.
Being in their position gives their statements some weight even if the president objects. On the other hand, the president can silence them to some degree, so leaving might open up their venues for getting the message out.
I think that right now, their platform is more important and they should stay in. But I also feel that it is their call and they know better what options they have both in and out.
Being in their position gives their statements some weight even if the president objects. On the other hand, the president can silence them to some degree, so leaving might open up their venues for getting the message out.
I think that right now, their platform is more important and they should stay in. But I also feel that it is their call and they know better what options they have both in and out.
I never understood the idea, at least in the context of Trump, in resigning in protest. That's part of why the government is failing to function and Trump is filling it with corrupt people as it is. We need all the sane people in government we can keep in there right now.
If they think they are doing the best possible given constraints, battle on.
And once the crisis is under control, resign with honour and full disclosure on why.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Democrat controlled states still have the highest death rates. Maybe if Trump had been more like Cuomo, maybe the left would vote for Trump in 2020.
On the one hand ...
And then, on the other hand, we have the pathetic pique of the basket of deplorables.
We shouldn't put too much stock in what a box's warning label says.Fauci should in fact resign. But not "in protest." I am not opposed to Trump. Fauci's policies have been criminally malicious on the American public. While we're at it, let's address this mentality.
You believe that people don't wear masks because they think they are better than others.
The only reason you wear a mask is:
Let's talk you out of #2. The mask neither protects you from infection, nor does it prevent disease from passing to others. In fact, it is like wearing a big sweaty sock on your face. As you breathe, sweat, or sneeze, the mask becomes damp. A damp mask incubates mold, bacteria, and disease. You become sicker the more you suffocate yourself with this torture device, you put others at risk by breeding bacteria, and you create a climate of fear directly responsible for the apparent rise of racism. You are the problem. Not people wanting to breathe fresh air. But most of them don't judge you for your choice to continue wearing one. So where do you get off telling others what to do?
- To feel morally superior over those who don't.
- Because you believe that wearing a mask means others don't get sick.
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YOU'RE NOT MORE VALUABLE THAN THOSE AROUND YOU -- SO STOP TELLING OTHER
PEOPLE HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIVES. GET A GRIP AND STOP BEING A BUSYBODY, OKAY?
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As for Fauci, just another hypocrite.
Watch Dr. Fauci Take His Mask Off When He Thinks the Camera is No Longer Running
He should resign.
They're crafted to provide some legal immunity against law suits.
Tis always best to promise nothing, even though there's some benefit.
Some advice: If this post hadn't insulted us "deplorables",
it could be more encouraging to read the links.
One should ask oneself....
What is my goal....to rail against foes, or to inform?
I found the Stanford link most informative.
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First, let's talk about the "baskets of deplorables." Quoting Hillary Clinton ...
“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”
She said the other half of Trump’s supporters “feel that the government has let them down” and are “desperate for change.”
“Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well,” she said. [source]
She said the other half of Trump’s supporters “feel that the government has let them down” and are “desperate for change.”
“Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well,” she said. [source]
It was a category used to characterize the most egregious subset of Trump's base. If you choose to identify with that bunch and, therefore, choose to feel insulted -- or choose to feign feeling insulted -- that's on you.
As for the rest, I suspect that encouraging the willfully blind is a fool's errand, while those undeserving of such a label will be drawn to investigate the links.
I know the origin of the term.
But on RF, it has broadened.
So some won't infer your intended limitation.
The question remains....
To rail against people, or to inform them?
That's a fair point. Thanks.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The states in the s.e. have overall higher rates than in the n.e. and Midwest, and they overwhelmingly are Pubs, as is Arizona. The exception to the rule is California.