For those who say that we stop existing once we die.

[Gharib]

if you believe that once we die we stop existing, meaning there is no afterlife and all and we just vanish, then how is it that a living person can see a dead person who according to those of the above thinking it wold be impossible as something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.

everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist, so after a person dies and stops existing why do we still see them in our dreams? if your answer is going to be because of our memory of them when they were alive, then what about those people who see someone thats dead but that never met in real life?

any explanations regarding your views?

 

[ellenjanuary]

everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist

I have heard that there are people who are unable to simulate visual environment in their mind, are you one of those? Or are you using imagine in some other fashion?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

if you believe that once we die we stop existing, meaning there is no afterlife and all and we just vanish, then how is it that a living person can see a dead person who according to those of the above thinking it wold be impossible as something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.

everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist,

Sorry, but nobody sane thinks that. I have no idea what gave you such an impression.

Just because we can imagine something does not mean it exists.

so after a person dies and stops existing why do we still see them in our dreams? if your answer is going to be because of our memory of them when they were alive, then what about those people who see someone thats dead but that never met in real life?

Care to give us an example?

 

[Skwim]

if you believe that once we die we stop existing, meaning there is no afterlife and all and we just vanish, then how is it that a living person can see a dead person who according to those of the above thinking it wold be impossible as something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.

everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist, so after a person dies and stops existing why do we still see them in our dreams? if your answer is going to be because of our memory of them when they were alive, then what about those people who see someone thats dead but that never met in real life?

any explanations regarding your views?

Do the chaotic and irrational worlds of our dreams exist as reality as well?

 

[Noaidi]

if you believe that once we die we stop existing, meaning there is no afterlife and all and we just vanish, then how is it that a living person can see a dead person who according to those of the above thinking it wold be impossible as something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.

everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist, so after a person dies and stops existing why do we still see them in our dreams? if your answer is going to be because of our memory of them when they were alive, then what about those people who see someone thats dead but that never met in real life?

any explanations regarding your views?

Regarding not imagining something that doesn't exist, I don't think this is the case. Novels and films make plenty of money out of imagining things that we know don't exist. The brain is adept at creating scenarios that are not true to life.
Regarding seeing dead people that we've never met in life (your last sentence) - can you provide evidence for this?

 

[PolyHedral]

something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.

Er, really? Look up about an inch.

 

[Gharib]

I have heard that there are people who are unable to simulate visual environment in their mind, are you one of those? Or are you using imagine in some other fashion?

i can visualise things in my mind, what i mean by imagine is that we see a car then latter we can visualise it in our mind, but if we haven't seen something and it doesn't exist how is it that we can imagine (visualise) it?

example, tell me what the iranian missile called Shahab 3 looks like if you haven't seen it. do not look it up please.

if you do not know what it looks like although it exists, then how is it possible to see something that doesn't exist, like a dead person?

 

[The Neo Nerd]

if you believe that once we die we stop existing, meaning there is no afterlife and all and we just vanish, then how is it that a living person can see a dead person who according to those of the above thinking it wold be impossible as something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.

everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist, so after a person dies and stops existing why do we still see them in our dreams? if your answer is going to be because of our memory of them when they were alive, then what about those people who see someone thats dead but that never met in real life?

any explanations regarding your views?

Are you serious?

 

[Gharib]

Are you serious?

is that all you've got?

 

[bobhikes]

i can visualise things in my mind, what i mean by imagine is that we see a car then latter we can visualise it in our mind, but if we haven't seen something and it doesn't exist how is it that we can imagine (visualise) it?

example, tell me what the iranian missile called Shahab 3 looks like if you haven't seen it. do not look it up please.

if you do not know what it looks like although it exists, then how is it possible to see something that doesn't exist, like a dead person?

It looks like a long cylinder with a cone head and Fins on its tails. Its black and white mostly white and has that wierd writing on it in black.
Right or wrong I can see it in my mind.

How about this
I now see a circly pink thing kinda lumpy with black wings tiny has a funny looking nose on what maybe a face. It has 3 stumps I call legs and sort floats about. I'll call it a greabel so that we can refer to it together.

Do you see the greabel.

 

[Skwim]

i can visualise things in my mind, what i mean by imagine is that we see a car then latter we can visualise it in our mind, but if we haven't seen something and it doesn't exist how is it that we can imagine (visualise) it?

example, tell me what the iranian missile called Shahab 3 looks like if you haven't seen it. do not look it up please.

if you do not know what it looks like although it exists, then how is it possible to see something that doesn't exist, like a dead person?

Evidently, for whatever reason, your imagination is unlike that of most other people, and very limited. Personally, I can visualize an octopus driving a car, and could even draw a picture of it. And this raises the question of how artists make up some of the stuff they draw. Under your contention Walt Disney could never have created Donald Duck and Goofy, unless you think there's a real Donald Duck and Goofy somewhere out in the real world that Walt simply copied.

 

[Noaidi]

example, tell me what the iranian missile called Shahab 3 looks like if you haven't seen it. do not look it up please.

OK, I've never seen this missile either but, off the top of my head, I would guess it's a long, pointy missile-shaped thing that can fly through the air and detonate on impact. I've not seen it, so how do I know this? Is it via some supernatural communication, or is it because I know what a missile looks like....?

Edit: 11.43 GMT was obviously the time to respond to this!

 

[Koldo]

if you believe that once we die we stop existing, meaning there is no afterlife and all and we just vanish, then how is it that a living person can see a dead person who according to those of the above thinking it wold be impossible as something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.

everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist, so after a person dies and stops existing why do we still see them in our dreams? if your answer is going to be because of our memory of them when they were alive, then what about those people who see someone thats dead but that never met in real life?

any explanations regarding your views?

The question is: Can you provide evidence that this person had actually seen the 'ghost'?

Let us assume for a moment that a person actually sees a 'ghost', exactly as it was during its life time. Can you prove this person is not lying and making up the whole story?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

i can visualise things in my mind, what i mean by imagine is that we see a car then latter we can visualise it in our mind, but if we haven't seen something and it doesn't exist how is it that we can imagine (visualise) it?

example, tell me what the iranian missile called Shahab 3 looks like if you haven't seen it. do not look it up please.

if you do not know what it looks like although it exists, then how is it possible to see something that doesn't exist, like a dead person?

I can imagine a dragon.

Do dragons exist?

 

[Koldo]

OK, I've never seen this missile either but, off the top of my head, I would guess it's a long, pointy missile-shaped thing that can fly through the air and detonate on impact. I've not seen it, so how do I know this? Is it via some supernatural communication, or is it because I know what a missile looks like....?

Edit: 11.43 GMT was obviously the time to respond to this!

But can you imagine the missile exactly as it is?
Check now how it really looks like. It is probably quite different from what you imagined, right?

This is what he is talking about. Imagining someone exactly as it is without have ever seen it before.
Or at least that is what i suppose he is talking about.....

 

[EtuMalku]

It is true that 'images' are reflected in our mind, sure you may never have seen an octopus driving a car but you can imagine it because you have seen both an octopus and a car. The point being that the mind works with symbols and images along with thoughts (which are way more malleable).

The mind may continue to put scenarios together that are surreal but the content within is always 'known' to us.

Music on the other hand is an art-form that can be pure creation and not something reflected.
Music is organized sound, which is vibration, and that is the make up of all the Universe.

 

[Noaidi]

But can you imagine the missile exactly as it is?
Check now how it really looks like. It is probably quite different from what you imagined, right?

well, spookily enough, I prayed really, really hard for a vision of the missile, then I checked on Wiki and, to my amazement, it was just as I had visualised it: long, pointy and everything! Here's a link to prove its long-ness and pointy-ness:

Shahab-3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Skwim]

It is true that 'images' are reflected in our mind, sure you may never have seen an octopus driving a car but you can imagine it because you have seen both an octopus and a car. The point being that the mind works with symbols and images along with thoughts (which are way more malleable).

The mind may continue to put scenarios together that are surreal but the content within is always 'known' to us.

I disagree. As a fair artist, if someone told me to draw a creature unlike any that's ever been seen I could do it. In fact, I would bet most anyone could.

Music on the other hand is an art-form that can be pure creation and not something reflected.
Music is organized sound, which is vibration, and that is the make up of all the Universe.

If your talking about real music, and not simply disorganized notes strung together, then there are rules of composition that involve pitch, harmonics, loudness, rhythm, tempo, etc. And to do a good job of creating music all these must be attended and put together competently. So I'm not sure what you mean by "pure creation."

 

[EtuMalku]

I disagree. As a fair artist, if someone told me to draw a creature unlike any that's ever been seen I could do it. In fact, I would bet most anyone could.

I would bet your creature would consist of pre-conceived attributes. Go ahead and draw this creature, I'll show where every aspect of it comes from, let me explain.
The unconscious contains archetypal imagery embedded from our genetic past, it is then filled with imagery from the moment we are born/conscious. A visual artist reflects these images in their artwork in a symbolic way or in a picturesque way.

If your talking about real music, and not simply disorganized notes strung together, then there are rules of composition that involve pitch, harmonics, loudness, rhythm, tempo, etc. And to do a good job of creating music all these must be attended and put together competently. So I'm not sure what you mean by "pure creation."

Not sure what 'real' music is, but being that I have been a musician for over 35 years I do have a little insight into what music is and is not.

Music is organized sound and silence, what you believe to be enjoyable is purely subjective. The quarter tonal melodies of Middle Eastern and East Indian music may sound out of tune to Western ears as we are accustomed to equal temperament tuning which ironically is all 12 notes equally out of tune to one another.

What I mean by pure creation is that a musician can create a composition that is not reflective of any known imagery in their unconsciousness, it is coming from a greater source so to speak. To put together music in a pre-fab design negates all originality and is nothing more than formula.

 

[LuisDantas]

if you believe that once we die we stop existing, meaning there is no afterlife and all and we just vanish, then how is it that a living person can see a dead person who according to those of the above thinking it wold be impossible as something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.

Far as I can tell, people don't really see dead people. They may convince themselves that they do, for various reasons.

everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist, so after a person dies and stops existing why do we still see them in our dreams? if your answer is going to be because of our memory of them when they were alive, then what about those people who see someone thats dead but that never met in real life?

any explanations regarding your views?

A lot, actually. Memory and mind play the weirdest tricks. Psychology of perception is a fascinating subject.