For those who think that prophet Mohammad was a pedophile

[FearGod]

This doesn't really defeat the argument that Muhammad molested a child. At best all it shows is that, in opposition to the claims of him being a moral exemplar that Muslims make, he is really no better or worse than anyone else of his time. And that's where the problem lies: Muslims try to have their cake & eat it. 'Muhammad was perfect, without flaw etc but we'll use the immoral kuffar of his time as a benchmark for his behaviour so that when he does do reprehensible things we can excuse them away'.

This child which you think was molested was a teacher and a warrior to defend Islam prior and
after the death of the prophet, if you try to use your own mind than listening to the propaganda
against Islam then I'm sure you'll realize that you were wrong.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

I wanted them to prove me wrong in a rational way.

Fine.

A pedophile is a person who is attracted to children. a pederast is someone who actually engages in such behaviour. You're arguing that you know this Mohommad guy's internal desires, which is something that you can't be gnostic about, even if you had a daily itinerary of his life.

Arguing for or against such a question is ridiculous.

 

[Notanumber]

I don't know what you are talking about and also I don't need a reward as I have a lot
of money, praise be to Allah

You can still claim it and donate it to the local Mosque.

 

[FearGod]

Here's the thing:

Muhammad is seen as the greatest moral example for all time.

So anything he does, Muslims are supposed to emulate today.

Yes, he's.

One best example that in fighting he used to order his soldiers as not to harm a child,
a woman, the elderly, never to destroy a village or a town, not to kill their cattle, not to
attack or destroy their worship houses

Comparing this teaching to the hundreds of thousands of the civilians in Japan then
we realize his morals compared to the human evil of today.

 

[FearGod]

You can still claim it and donate it to the local Mosque.

It isn't your business, keep on the topic than saying stupid ideas.

 

[Notanumber]

It isn't your business, keep on the topic than saying stupid ideas.

That is not a nice thing to say.

Have I been abusive to you?

 

[FearGod]

Dude had sex with a kid, dunno how so many of you are defending that. Messed up and weak.

Did you see the prophet doing it?

 

[FearGod]

That is not a nice thing to say.

Have I been abusive to you?

Keep on topic please and try to prove that my title is wrong.

 

[Thanda]

Have the guts to admit that he did have relationships with small children, even Joseph married Mary when she was only fourteen, which to us today would be considered a pedophilia act, yes it wasn't considered that back then, but again have the guts to admit it when your wrong.

Nope, 14 year-old does not qualify for paedophilia.

 

[FearGod]

Your logic here can be laid out in a syllogism.

If
A) Mohammad was married to this older woman
and
B) He was attracted to her
Then
C) He was not attracted to kids

Do you not see the invalidity of this? As @Deathbydefault pointed out already, one could simultaneously be attracted to adults and children. You trying to impose an archaic definition of fetish is as he put it "childish" and ultimately you just avoiding the blunt of what he is saying by putting up stupid barriers.

According to this article, 44% of convicted pedophiles are married. Convicted.



He went on to have multiple wives. This doesn't mean much.
Generally when someone is married they don't go looking for other women. This isn't proof of his attraction to anyone.

Have you never heard about people sexually assaulting their own kids? It would be evidently very foolish if I used the above logic in a new syllogism.

If
A) One of the above convicts has a wife
and
B) Is attracted to his wife
then
C) was not a pedophile

If you are trying to argue that Mohammad was not attracted to the underage, you might have a very very very small ounce of an argument. However, factually he had sex with the underage while claiming to be connected to a larger consciousness. I'm assuming he wouldn't have had sex if he was not attracted to the person he was screwing. Maybe that's just me.

The prophet till the age of 50 was only in relation with one woman and she was older
than him, now do you have any evidence to prove that the prophet was attracted
to children while living with his 1st wife or do you believe that he became a pedophile after
the age of 50, please use historical facts than giving examples that such things can happen,
please don't make yourself looks as if stupid.

 

[Rival]

Your logic here can be laid out in a syllogism.

If
A) Mohammad was married to this older woman
and
B) He was attracted to her
Then
C) He was not attracted to kids

Do you not see the invalidity of this? As @Deathbydefault pointed out already, one could simultaneously be attracted to adults and children. You trying to impose an archaic definition of fetish is as he put it "childish" and ultimately you just avoiding the blunt of what he is saying by putting up stupid barriers.

According to this article, 44% of convicted pedophiles are married. Convicted.



He went on to have multiple wives. This doesn't mean much.
Generally when someone is married they don't go looking for other women. This isn't proof of his attraction to anyone.

Have you never heard about people sexually assaulting their own kids? It would be evidently very foolish if I used the above logic in a new syllogism.

If
A) One of the above convicts has a wife
and
B) Is attracted to his wife
then
C) was not a pedophile

If you are trying to argue that Mohammad was not attracted to the underage, you might have a very very very small ounce of an argument. However, factually he had sex with the underage while claiming to be connected to a larger consciousness. I'm assuming he wouldn't have had sex if he was not attracted to the person he was screwing. Maybe that's just me.

I think you need to realise that 'child molester' and 'paedophile' aren't the same. Most child molesters are opportunists who are not exclusively attracted to children, they do it for the power. Paedophiles are only attracted to, and can only get off with, those younger than 11. Not all paedophiles molest children. Not all child molesters are paedophiles. The question of the thread is, basically, was Mohammad a paedophile? No, he wasn't. Did he molest a child? Yes.

 

[Kirran]

I don't have a clue if the guy had sex with an 9 year old child. The problem is that the majority of Muslims believe he did and believe he is an eternal moral exemplar. That's messed up.

 

[LuisDantas]

I claimed earlier in this thread that there was no significant controversy about Aisha's age.

I take that back, after a bit of research. Is there ever such controversy!

I find the variety of the stances taken on the matter, its significancy and consequences considerably more interesting than the truth of the matter itself. There are those who underscore how unusual that might have been at the time. There are those who propose that Aisha might be significantly older than the traditional nine years claimed. And there are those who insist that reforming the perception of Aisha's age is no reason to reform Islaamic doctrine proper.

I guess I am lucky not to have been born in a Muslim environment.

 

[Spiderman]

According to the hadiths, Aisha was six when the marriage took place. If the prophet were living in America he would have gone to jail for rape and would be a registered sex-offender

 

[loverofhumanity]

The prophet till the age of 50 was only in relation with one woman and she was older
than him, now do you have any evidence to prove that the prophet was attracted
to children while living with his 1st wife or do you believe that he became a pedophile after
the age of 50, please use historical facts than giving examples that such things can happen,
please don't make yourself looks as if stupid.

Please don't keep using the word 'stupid' because it's rude. I can't like any post that insults people.

You have good arguments but once you say people are stupid you lose respect for your entire argument.

Please don't call people here stupid.

 

[Rival]

According to the hadiths, Aisha was six when the marriage took place. If the prophet were living in America he would have gone to jail for rape and would be a registered sex-offender

The problem is that the ahadith were collected 200 years after Muhammad's death. We have no idea how old A'isha was.

 

[Spiderman]

The problem is that the ahadith were collected 200 years after Muhammad's death. We have no idea how old A'isha was.

We have writings from Aisha herself stating her age. I think we have an idea how old she was

 

[Rival]

We have writings from Aisha herself stating her age. I think we have an idea how old she was

They could be fabrications. These same writings tell us that Muhammad split the moon in half.

 

[FearGod]

That doesn't change anything that I said. I was merely pointing out the logical inconsistencies of your single relevant argument..

You were making imaginary examples that men can be married while attracting
to children, I asked you if you have evidence that the prophet was attracted to
children while living with Khadija, you didn't make a rational answer other than bla..bla...

I don't care when it happened. He would be considered so in a court of law..

So you have no facts about the prophet but guesses.

Personally I think you should be the one worried about making "yourself looks as if stupid".

I believe that parrots and monkeys repeat what men do and say.

 

[YmirGF]

It wouldn't be slander though, as there was nothing abnormal about it at the time. It's only in the past century that people have seen it as controversial.

Seeing as she was to become a very controversial figure in the Sunni/Shia rivalry, and there was an episode where Muhammad had to deal with rumours of her infidelity, it is possible that her age was lowered to prove her chastity at the time of marriage and prolong her time spent in the company of Muhammad and thus improve her status

It is also worth considering that the same sources you are trusting for this information are the same sources that had him splitting the moon in 2 and flying around on a winged donkey. Both of these are considered to be hadith of the highest possible level of authenticity, which is always worth bearing in mind when judging everything else.

Hadith and sirah are theology not history, and much of it was invented by medieval jurists centuries later to justify rulings and explain parts of the Quran that they didn't understand.

There is much truth in what you say, @Augustus

The point is, before modern times, the vast majority of Muslims didn't see this as a problem that needed elaborate explanations. That some Muslims feel a need to explain away this foible of possible history is understandable given modern views on the topic and is largely driven to sanitize aspects of the life of Muhammad that are perhaps unseemly by modern standards.