"Forced Genital Cutting," and Jewish circumcision

[Falvlun]

Out of curiosity, in your opinion, within the USA, do you believe a child not being circumcised for cultural/religious reasons will be ostracized and denied the full enjoyment of life in the culture?

No, I don't. It might be embarrassing to explain it to new sexual partners. He might get teased about it here or there. But I don't think that it is important enough even in America for there to be serious cultural repercussions from not getting circumscized.

Who's getting ostracized because they're uncircumcised?

I didn't indicate that anyone was.

My discussion is about modifying the bodies of children in general, and what I find to be ethical (or not) and why.

 

[DallasApple]

Im not trying to be too nosy or a pervert but i have never seen an uncircumcised penis or "examined" one .May i ask a question?..Here goes ...when you pull back the skin is the tip of your penis shaped like a mushroom?

 

[Aquitaine]

Yeah Im getting that now.The foreskin keeps that glans from getting "toughened up"...so to speak.So if you can get that "covered" up again after a while it might have time to "soften up" again...

I assume it may be like having the entire Clitoris constantly exposed via removal of the Clitoral Hood. Ouch!

 

[DallasApple]

I assume it may be like having the entire Clitoris constantly exposed via removal of the Clitoral Hood. Ouch!

That would be like being electrocuted.I don't like the "tip" being touched AT ALL! EVA!!!Go ahead stick a hot needle in it while you are at it!

 

[Aquitaine]

Im not trying to be too nosy or a pervert but i have never seen an uncircumcised penis or "examined" one .May i ask a question?..Here goes ...when you pull back the skin is the tip of your penis shaped like a mushroom?

The anatomy of the penis is exactly the same, minus the foreskin. Here is a visual guide showing a depiction of the differences (illustration):

Spoiler: Photo of Captain Wilkins with and without his helmet.

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[DallasApple]

The anatomy of the penis is exactly the same, minus the foreskin. Here is a visual guide showing a depiction of the differences (illustration):

Spoiler: Photo of Captain Wilkins with and without his helmet.

Moderator cut: image removed

O.K! ...My 3rd son looks more like the uncircumcised picture but just not as "much" skin hanging down...you can not "see" the mushroom..you have to pull that skin back to see it..my other two always have a mushroom showing.So does my husband.

And I KNOW my 3rd son was in fact cut..I mean hello I saw the injury.I signed the papers..he had the little plastic ring on him..

Maybe the doctor just "cut a little bit" knowing something I did not know?

 

[DallasApple]

That skin hanging down? after they cut it is what started to "grow" onto the glans(I call it the mushroom) as it healed..and they had to rip it back..

 

[DallasApple]

With my 3rd..(not to go on) but you can see just the very tip with the pee hole starting to poke out a little..

 

[Aquitaine]

That skin hanging down? after they cut it is what started to "grow" onto the glans(I call it the mushroom) as it healed..and they had to rip it back..

Ouch! Maybe it was just a botched procedure?

Either way, poor fella!

 

[Aquitaine]

With my 3rd..(not to go on) but you can see just the very tip with the pee hole starting to poke out a little..

Sounds like he was circumcised, but the "cut-off line" wasn't as far down as with your other two sons.

 

[Aquitaine]

No, I don't. It might be embarrassing to explain it to new sexual partners. He might get teased about it here or there. But I don't think that it is important enough even in America for there to be serious cultural repercussions from not getting circumscized.

I see. So do you think it is necessary (or even ethical) to perform it on healthy infant boys in the USA, purely for Cultural/Religious reasons?

 

[DallasApple]

Sounds like he was circumcised, but the "cut-off line" wasn't as far down as with your other two sons.

Definately...you can clearly see in the second picture the whole 'head" on a non erect penis..not so with my 3rd one..that is why I had to pull back the skin to clean him.."stuff" would get trapped underneath the skin..

So I guess I can feel "less guilty' about him ..and thankful that my doctor probably did that on purpose..

 

[DallasApple]

I wonder if maybe now doctors (or more of them) are not taking all the skin?My last was born in 98...And my grandson seems to have more skin too...He was born in 2008...

I have also heard men (in the info I have read)say that the doctor took "too much"..So the have painful erections .Maybe they are routinely leaving more on now? At least the enlightened doctors..the ones that care?

 

[Aquitaine]

I wonder if maybe now doctors (or more of them) are not taking all the skin?My last was born in 98...And my grandson seems to have more skin too...He was born in 2008...

I have also heard men (in the info I have read)say that the doctor took "too much"..So the have painful erections .Maybe they are routinely leaving more on now? At least the enlightened doctors..the ones that care?

Maybe.

But as Dawny pointed out earlier - the practice in the US of unnecessary circumcision for healthy baby boys is slowly dying out, so maybe that's a part of said decline.

Either way, another 50 years or so and maybe it'll all just be a distant memory of stuff "we used to do back in the day".

 

[ImprobableBeing]

Yeah Im getting that now.The foreskin keeps that glans from getting "toughened up"...so to speak.So if you can get that "covered" up again after a while it might have time to "soften up" again...

Exactly, all your bodies tissues strive to return to the state they were made to be in if given the chance (except for mutated RNA constructions like cancer of course).

 

[Falvlun]

I see. So do you think it is necessary (or even ethical) to perform it on healthy infant boys in the USA, purely for Cultural/Religious reasons?

I don't think it necessary by any means.

But I find the procedure to be essentially morality neutral: it's neither immoral to circumcise or not circumcise.

 

[DallasApple]

Maybe.

But as Dawny pointed out earlier - the practice in the US of unnecessary circumcision for healthy baby boys is slowly dying out, so maybe that's a part of said decline.

Either way, another 50 years or so and maybe it'll all just be a distant memory of stuff "we used to do back in the day".

Im more hopeful..25 years.

 

[Aquitaine]

I don't think it necessary by any means.

But I find the procedure to be essentially morality neutral: it's neither immoral to circumcise or not circumcise.

The way I see it - when in doubt, especially with something that will have permanent irreversible results, I tend to think "Why bother?" as opposed to "Why not?".

 

[ImprobableBeing]

I don't think it necessary by any means.

But I find the procedure to be essentially morality neutral: it's neither immoral to circumcise or not circumcise.

My opinion in cases where no medical necessity is present:

The same "benefits" that there could possibly be can be achieved on women by a very similar procedure but that's not in ancient scripture so we don't do that.

The ONLY reason it's performed is because of scripture, no one would come up with the idea today and i do believe it's unethical for any medical professional to uphold archaic religious practices that involves actively removing parts of an infants genitals.

 

[dawny0826]

Maybe.

But as Dawny pointed out earlier - the practice in the US of unnecessary circumcision for healthy baby boys is slowly dying out, so maybe that's a part of said decline.

Either way, another 50 years or so and maybe it'll all just be a distant memory of stuff "we used to do back in the day".

In fairness, I've stated repeatedly that the number of circumcisions are declining in the United States. But...I'm not arrogant enough to define for anyone other them myself and my own family whether or not the procedure would be necessary or not. I have not and I will not deem male circumcision unnecessary for anyone else. I don't feel it my place.

I trust that parents can make educated decisions regarding their own children and I am not in a position to pass judgement. I trust that a man questioning whether he should or shouldn't be circumcised later in life will educate himself and make a decision that best suits him. This has been my stance all along. I am a proponent of unbiased education and choice.