Forced Treatment of Insane

[Erebus]

I also hope 2016 is a good year for you. People are constantly telling me to quit my whining and take antidepressants. I don't take them because they made me feel so awful last time. I am afraid to risk feeling that bad again, but sometimes I wonder if somebody could simply force me to take antidepressants and I might be thankful for positive result. I might be a dynamo of productivity, a joy to be around, etc. If somebody really knew that this result could be achieved, and if we knew that I would be thankful afterwards, wouldn't it be a crime NOT to force me? Perhaps they could hide the pills in a Twinkie so that I wouldn't even notice?

I've had some horrendous side effects from medication in the past. It was because of those side effects that I stopped taking medication for a long time and refused to start again. This time was different though. The doctors were much more understanding and took my worries about side effects seriously.

There are new medications coming out all the time. It could be worth discussing this with somebody and seeing if you can find something suitable?

Best of luck to you, whatever you decide to do

 

[Laika]

I also hope 2016 is a good year for you. People are constantly telling me to quit my whining and take antidepressants. I don't take them because they made me feel so awful last time. I am afraid to risk feeling that bad again, but sometimes I wonder if somebody could simply force me to take antidepressants and I might be thankful for the positive result. I might be a dynamo of productivity, a joy to be around, etc. If somebody really knew that this result could be achieved, and if we knew that I would be thankful afterwards, wouldn't it be a crime NOT to force me? Perhaps they could hide the pills in a Twinkie so that I wouldn't even notice?

Thanks. I'd say you were not born depressed. it is something you have aquired over time. for me, remembering that keeps me trying to find whatever did it so I can change it and feel better. it is however a long process of trial and error to figure out "what" it is that may have done this to me. don't let other people make you feel bad for being emotionally as that is probably the most likely cause of depression. you have a right to feel upset and to feel angry and to be respected and loved. when we deny ourseleves our happiness, we start to fill the void with monsters. so find something that feels good to feel the void. love and self-love is a good place to start and will get you quite a long way.

 

[Brickjectivity]

What about a person who refuses to take antidepressants and as a result is unproductive at work (maybe even collecting unemployment or on disability), grouchy, negative, and generally unpleasant? Wouldn't it be justifiable to force that person to take antidepressants if it would really make him/her a better and more productive person?

While we're at it, why not empower companies to insert radio tags up our anuses to make sure we maintain an appropriate metabolism. That could, after all, affect productivity.

 

[picnic]

Personally, I think people should be forcibly medicated if it will make them well - period. Nobody has a right to be sick when we all depend on each other and we all care about each other. We should not allow people with schizophrenia to wander the streets homeless, eat garbage, sleep in cardboard boxes. We should not allow depressed people to wallow in misery, kill themselves.

The issue is effectiveness of the medications and side effects - not individual liberty. We are all interconnected, and we all have a duty to each other.

 

[picnic]

While we're at it, why not empower companies to insert radio tags up our anuses to make sure we maintain an appropriate metabolism. That could, after all, affect productivity.

It would probably be constitutional in the US under the interstate commerce clause. Our individual productivity affects interstate commerce, therefore the federal government has the right to regulate our productivity.

I have often fantasized about having an implant that would constantly monitor my blood chemistry, heart rate, etc. Then if I'm not feeling well, I can upload the data to the internet, and it can tell me what I need to do to feel better.

 

[InChrist]

I don't think antidepressants should be forced on anyone considering their dangerous side effects and track record of inducing suicidal and violent thoughts and tendencies. Much better to address the root causes of the problem and one's overall condition with health education and dietary changes.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...one-in-ten-americans-at-risk-for-suicide.aspx

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ple-on-antidepressants-more-prone-to-violence

 

[freethinker44]

At one point should society forcibly treat insane people?

When does it become appropriate to force a person to take medicine to become "normal"?

Here is a Ted talk I just watched a few days ago about that very topic. It's pretty entertaining, I thought.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Well, it isn't that misery is good but that companies are not our parents and lovers. They only deserve a reasonable amount of effort, not our every thought and daydream. Somewhere along the way they have gotten false ideas about continual improvement, regular firings and putting unneeded pressure on workers. There is never enough productivity no matter how much productivity you give. The standard will always be higher than the average, and yes they really would put radio tags up our anuses if it were legal. So, no way ever should they be given a say in who takes what medication. That would only make things worse.

 

[InChrist]

Personally, I think people should be forcibly medicated if it will make them well - period. Nobody has a right to be sick when we all depend on each other and we all care about each other. We should not allow people with schizophrenia to wander the streets homeless, eat garbage, sleep in cardboard boxes. We should not allow depressed people to wallow in misery, kill themselves.

The issue is effectiveness of the medications and side effects - not individual liberty. We are all interconnected, and we all have a duty to each other.

I think it is important to be careful and find the right balance between duty to each other and violating personal liberty. It is fine to help people in appropriate ways who struggle with the issues you have mentioned, but to force medications on people because they do not meet certain "normal" standards can cross a dangerous line depending on who sets those standards.

 

[picnic]

I think it is important to be careful and find the right balance between duty to each other and violating personal liberty. It is fine to help people in appropriate ways who struggle with the issues you have mentioned, but to force medications on people because they do not meet certain "normal" standards can cross a dangerous line depending on who sets those standards.

What if I can guarantee that the person will thank you profusely after you force him/her to take the medications? They will say something like "thank you! I have my sanity back. I only wish you had forced me to take these medications sooner." Think of that crazy person who lived in the graveyard cutting himself until Jesus healed him. Jesus didn't ask permission first. He knew this person needed help, and He knew this person had lost the capacity to make rational decisions for himself. So Jesus fixed him up. That's what we should do as a society.

Obviously some of the psych meds have nasty side effects and aren't always effective today, but if we know that we can make somebody well, shouldn't we do it? If a person's mind is malfunctioning, we can't let them make those decisions for themselves.

 

[freethinker44]

What if I can guarantee that the person will thank you profusely after you force him/her to take the medications? They will say something like "thank you! I have my sanity back. I only wish you had forced me to take these medications sooner." Think of that crazy person who lived in the graveyard cutting himself until Jesus healed him. Jesus didn't ask permission first. He knew this person needed help, and He knew this person had lost the capacity to make rational decisions for himself. So Jesus fixed him up. That's what we should do as a society.

Obviously some of the psych meds have nasty side effects and aren't always effective today, but if we know that we can make somebody well, shouldn't we do it? If a person's mind is malfunctioning, we can't let them make those decisions for themselves.

Makes me think of the pod people from Invasion of the Body Snatchers. That's how they rationalized it too. Sure people didn't want to become a pod person, but it was OK because once they were they would see how much better it is.

I think if people want to live with their illness, even if they would be happier with medication, as long as they aren't hurting anyone else, let them be.

 

[Brickjectivity]

What if I can guarantee that the person will thank you profusely after you force him/her to take the medications? They will say something like "thank you! I have my sanity back. I only wish you had forced me to take these medications sooner." Think of that crazy person who lived in the graveyard cutting himself until Jesus healed him. Jesus didn't ask permission first. He knew this person needed help, and He knew this person had lost the capacity to make rational decisions for himself. So Jesus fixed him up. That's what we should do as a society.

Obviously some of the psych meds have nasty side effects and aren't always effective today, but if we know that we can make somebody well, shouldn't we do it? If a person's mind is malfunctioning, we can't let them make those decisions for themselves.

Hmm. Well I mean...you're invoking Jesus. Treatment alone is not enough though. Somebody has to take the person in and really care about them, and we are talking about someone who is going to be hard to live with.

 

[arthra]

plans to sacrifice himself/herself
(9) plans to sacrifice his/her followers

When does it become appropriate to force a person to take medicine to become "normal"?

Being a danger to self or others is the criteria used in the area where I live... So if you are say suicidal or you are threatening others you can be hospitalized for three days and observed to see if you are in deed a threat..

 

[ahamtatsat]

i'm going to go with no forced medication. As a general rule NO pHARMaceutical drug (keeping the harm large) ever cures anything.

Psychiatry is a fake science without any science. There are no biological markers for virtually anything. There is physical/biochemical marker known for depression, bi-polar disorder, neurosis, anger/rage, suicidal ideation, etc etc. NO markers at all. Not only that, when they provide any drugs - there are no markers showing changes in any physical markers either. Yes - you may impair brain function too much for a person to function enough to experience that rage or depression, but you've cured nothing at all.

SSRIs are a case in point. If you go back to their approval - roughly 40% of ALL the studies about SSRIs showed some (and many believe the data was slanted) small benefit in treatment. However - about 20% of the studies showed NO improvement, no treatment of the mental state at all, and the other 40% of the tests showed negative treatment outcomes. Additionally BOTH the 20% and 40% negative treatment studies noted serious problems in terms of mental and physical adverse reactions.

If that weren't enough - you may know of these people claiming that they wouldn't be alive without their ????? (Paxil, Prozac, whatever) So a study was done. A large group insisting that their SSRIs kept them sane and alive were all told that they would take part in a double blind study. One half would receive their EXACT SAME PRESCRIPTION AND DOSAGE FROM THE SAME MANUFACTURER and the other half would receive a placebo.

The funny thing is that BOTH groups reacted the exact same way - their depression was a little less well handled. This proved that the mental aspect of those on SSRIs made them doubt that they had the real drug - and consequently, their minds sabotaged any (pretended) effect of the drugs. The placebo group thought the exact same thing, and had pretty much the exact same levels of decreased effectiveness in their "medication" - proving that the entire SSRI thing is mental - is placebo affect from day one. With the bonus of getting really screwed up brain and body health.

So no - no medications. They don't work and are the largest killer of Americans today - pHARMa drugs kill (depending on how honest you want to count) over half a million americans/year. JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS, and go with nature, meditation, organic and home grown live foods.