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Free Speech or Hate Speech?

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
BTW, I feel it an affirmation of my point of view that you used to have a disgusted reaction. I think it's terrific you got past that.

I don't think it's an affirmation of that point, as I explained in my earlier post. It's only because of the atmosphere towards homosexuality in the culture we live in that we have that reaction before we know any better. In 50-100 years when (I hope I'm not just being optimistic here) our culture doesn't give a rat's *** what your sexuality is, I don't think it'll be very common to have that reaction, just like it's not very common to have that reaction to two women kissing now (even from women).
 

tomato1236

Ninja Master
pho·bi·a

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–noun a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.
 

Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
If I have a phobia that offends other people, I will try to not let it show. Why? Because I really do care about other people's feelings vis-a-vis the Golden Rule. Sometimes I don't feel masculine enough, because of my gentle nature. How's that for irony?
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
pho·bi·a

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–noun a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.
That isn't a lot of help since Homo means "same". ;)

Arrgggh, twins! :run:
 

tomato1236

Ninja Master
That isn't a lot of help since Homo means "same". ;)

Arrgggh, twins! :run:

Sure it is. "Homophobia" is a word created not out of latin roots, but as a creative combination of the word "homosexual' and "phobia". So the "homo" part isn't important here, since it's pretty clear what it refers to. And in the word homosexual, homo serves it purpose well in describing "same" "sexual".

The point is about the difference between fear and hate.
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
I was trying to humorously point out that I don't think the Latin root (or even modern meaning) of the word phobia is much more relevant as the root homo is to their use in the word homophobia. Homophobia has been about hatred more than fear, regardless of the roots of the word or the intention of their choice in the first place.

Etymology is one of the least important aspects to all of this.
 

Duck

Well-Known Member
Sure it is. "Homophobia" is a word created not out of latin roots, but as a creative combination of the word "homosexual' and "phobia". So the "homo" part isn't important here, since it's pretty clear what it refers to. And in the word homosexual, homo serves it purpose well in describing "same" "sexual".

The point is about the difference between fear and hate.

A wise muppet once said "...Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hatred leads to suffering..." So, fear of something leads ultimately to hate for that thing.

So, what is the issue with using "homophobia" vice a more technically accurate "homocontemno" or "homoabominor"? (yeah, I used an online translation service to translate "hatred" into latin, sue me). Use of the more familiar "phobia" root effectively makes the meaning of "homophobia" more accessible to people, despite those people who argue the semantics (I don't fear teh ghey, I "hate the sin") of using "phobia" vice a root indicating hatred. The point is lost if I have to hand someone a latin-to-english dictionary and wait for them to look up the meaning of "abominor" while discussing the fact that they are acting like an irrational bigot.
 

Smoke

Done here.

tomato1236

Ninja Master
ho·mo·pho·bia noun \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

Where does the "discrimination against" part come from?

Anyway, my point is, irriational fear and aversion aren't the same thing as hate.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
With my social phobia, it is a equal opportunity phobia. I am scared of talking to any stranger, regardless of race, lifestyle, and nationality, etc.
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tomato1236

Ninja Master
A wise muppet once said "...Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hatred leads to suffering..." So, fear of something leads ultimately to hate for that thing.

And I feel that fear, or homophobia, should be overcome before it leads to hate. One leading to the other hardly makes them interchangeable.

So, what is the issue with using "homophobia" vice a more technically accurate "homocontemno" or "homoabominor"? (yeah, I used an online translation service to translate "hatred" into latin, sue me).

Haha I was going to be impressed.

Use of the more familiar "phobia" root effectively makes the meaning of "homophobia" more accessible to people, despite those people who argue the semantics (I don't fear teh ghey, I "hate the sin") of using "phobia" vice a root indicating hatred. The point is lost if I have to hand someone a latin-to-english dictionary and wait for them to look up the meaning of "abominor" while discussing the fact that they are acting like an irrational bigot.

I agree that there is much meaning lost when stray meanings are applied to a word out of convenience or hyperbole. I feel, likewise, that the word "bigot" is losing its meaning in exchange for a very general term for "someone who doesn't agree with me, whom I don't appreciate."

On the receiving end of these words, eventually they all run together in a blob of slander. I get the point. You don't like me. You're angry. These are the messages I hear, and those are the ones I think are intended when these words are used anymore. Maybe in 10 years, you'll hear it used much more.

"Arrite. What kind of cereal should we get?"
"Fruity Pebbles."
"Gross, I don't like fruity pebbles. I stopped eating those when I was 5."
"Bigot."
 

Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
With my social phobia, it is a equal opportunity phobia. I am scared of talking to any stranger, regardless of race, lifestyle, and nationality, etc.
:biglaugh:

I have a bit of that myself. Thereare some days when I simply can't stand being out in public, where I feel so awfully exposed. Sometimes for days of end I hole myself up in my apartment.
 
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