Freedom from Religion vs Freedom from Belief

[Fool]

Are they the same thing?

i personally don't believe they are.

religion
b. A particular variety of such belief, especially when organized into a system of doctrine and practice:
3. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion:

belief
2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something:
3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Are they the same thing?

i personally don't believe they are.

religion
b. A particular variety of such belief, especially when organized into a system of doctrine and practice:
3. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion:

belief
2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something:
3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.

Might be a false dichotomy

 

[Fool]

Might be a false dichotomy

might being the keyword. you can't have a religion without belief but you can have a belief and still be non-religious

having a political belief doesn't make you religious

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Are they the same thing?

i personally don't believe they are.

The US Constitution is based on the belief in a secular government. I guess you aren't protected against that belief.

 

[Fool]

The US Constitution is based on the belief in a secular government. I guess you aren't protected against that belief.

i never stated anyone was protected from belief; because that would be a judgement against self. i've stated basically everyone has beliefs. i don't exclude self. now how self chooses to identify that system, that position is self-evident.

i don't have the power to force beliefs but i do have evidence to show that persons hold them and act/react to beliefs.

this website and this thread is chocked full of them.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

i've stated basically everyone has beliefs.

Would you also state that not all beliefs are religious?

 

[Fool]

Would you also state that not all beliefs are religious?

all systems are not organized on a higher scale. just like all seeds do not become plants and all trees do not become forests.

but all things can contribute in their diversity.

all humans aren't members of all social groups but they do tend to be members of some group. the modifier group was dropped purposely to show that the lack of social doesn't exclude the lack of group.

humans as a group are not necessarily always social, nor anti-social.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Are they the same thing?

i personally don't believe they are.

religion
b. A particular variety of such belief, especially when organized into a system of doctrine and practice:
3. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion:

belief
2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something:
3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.

Excuse me, but don't you mean 'Freedom of religion'?

Of course, there is freedom from religion, too.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

all systems are not organized on a higher scale. just like all seeds do not become plants and all trees do not become forests.

but all things can contribute in their diversity.

all humans aren't members of all social groups but they do tend to be members of some group. the modifier group was dropped purposely to show that the lack of social doesn't exclude the lack of group.

humans as a group are not necessarily always social, nor anti-social.

A simple yes/no would have worked.

I believe that chocolate ice cream is better than vanilla ice cream. Is that belief a religion?

More importantly, what is the purpose of calling beliefs a religion? What is the ultimate goal in that line of argumentation?

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Excuse me, but don't you mean 'Freedom of religion'?

Of course, there is freedom from religion, too.

As far as the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution is concerned, they are equivalent statements with reference to legislation and government policy. As ruled in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), any statute must have a secular purpose, must not advance nor inhibit religion, and must not unduly entangle the government in matters of religion.

Lemon v. Kurtzman - Wikipedia

I know that other countries have different stances on freedom of religion, such as the UK.