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French Election Results: Le Pen Beaten by Tactical Voting

Laika

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Viva la France! :D

Guardian Article Source:http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ontrol-of-target-regions-amid-tactical-voting

"France’s far-right Front National has failed to win control of any regions in the final round of local elections despite a historically high score in the first-round when it was ranked as the most popular party in France.

The defeat of the FN was down to mass tactical voting, an increase in turnout and warnings by the left that what it called the “antisemitic and racist” party would bring France to its knees. All this combined to stop the FN translating its huge first-round score of nearly 28% into the overall control of any region.

But the Socialist prime minister, Manuel Valls, deliberately avoided any triumphalism and did not claim that the steady rise of the far-right party had been definitively stopped.

“Tonight there is no relief, no triumphalism, no message of victory,” he said. “The danger of the far right has not been removed – far from it – and I won’t forget the results of the first round and of past elections.” He said it was now the government’s duty to “listen more to the French people” and “to act in a stronger, faster way” particularly on employment in a country with record joblessness.

He conceded that tactical voting was not enough to counter the far right and win support: “We have to give people back the desire to vote for and not just against.”

Exit polls on Sunday night showed that with less than 18 months to go until the next French presidential election, the nationalist, anti-immigration, anti-European FN still gained hundreds of regional councillors across France — tripling its presence on regional councils and extending its nationwide reach, cementing its grassroots powerbase and boosting its quest for power nationwide.

Despite the FN failing to grab its first region, Marine Le Pen will still use her party’s first round breakthrough performance as a springboard for her bid for the 2017 presidential election.

Addressing her supporters, Le Pen presented her party as the victim of “calumny and defamation” by the government who she said had “intimidated and infantilised” voters by teaming up with its rivals on the right to keep the FN out of power.

She said the tactical voting by leftwingers who chose Nicolas Sarkozy’s rightwing Les Républicains party in order to put up a “barricade” against the FN had already played into her claim that she and her voters were the victims of an elitist system that persecuted them. She vowed during the campaign that her voters would take their revenge by turning out in even greater numbers during the presidential campaign.

Le Pen herself failed to capitalise on her high first-round score in the vast northern region of Nord-Pas-de-Calais-Picardie, after the Socialist party pulled out of the race and made an extraordinary plea for its voters to chose Sarkozy’s candidate Xavier Bertrand just to stop Le Pen. First estimations showed that Bertrand, Sarkozy’s former employment minister, won with a resounding 57% of the vote.

In an emotional speech, Bertrand said it was not his “victory” and implored the political class to reinvent itself to counter the rise of the FN.

Le Pen’s 26-year-old niece, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, 26, an MP and rising party star hoping to lead the southern region of Provence-Alpes-Côte d’Azur, was also kept out by the tactical voting of the left for another Sarkozy candidate, the hardline mayor of Nice, Christian Estrosi. First estimations showed he had won by about 54.4%.

The defeat of both the Le Pens showed the difficulty of a far-right personality to get past the 50% threshold when faced with a mainstream candidate. This is crucial to the presidential election where Le Pen is expected to make it to the second-round run-off.

Turnout was up by around seven percentage points on the first-round, especially in areas where the FN could have won, suggesting a strong mobilisation to beat the party. There had been a marked rise in requests for proxy votes between the two rounds.

First estimates showed the left had performed better than expected, winning at least five regions. Sarkozy’s Les Républicains also stood on around five regions, a poorer showing than might have been expected for the main rightwing opposition party, given that two of those regions were won with the support of tactical leftwing voters.

The outcome appeared to comfort the Socialist prime minister’s tactic of agressively warning of the damage the FN could cause. He had warned that if the FN won, it would foster divisions and “this division could lead to civil war”.

He called it a party that “didn’t love France”, that cheated French people and that would bring the country to its knees. The Socialist party leader Jean-Christophe Cambadelis had also warned that the FN would be like returning to the wartime Nazi-collaborationist Vichy regime except “under Vichy it was the Jews [who were targeted]. Now it’s Muslims.”

Marine Le Pen had slammed the tactics and political manoeuvering as undemocratic, accusing her opponents of “intellectual terrorism” in seeking to block her party’s path to power.

The FN was once simply content with attracting protest votes for the gruff ex-paratrooper Jean-Marie Le Pen, but it has radically changed strategy since his daughter Marine Le Pen took over in 2011, seeking to build a base of locally elected officials to target the top levels of power.

Marine Le Pen’s strategy is to take positions of power across the country. She hopes the good first-round showing, despite not winning any regions, will boost her chances in the 2017 presidential race where polls suggest she could knock out a mainstream candidate and reach the second-round runoff.

Le Pen has led a drive to detoxify the party and move away from the racist, jackbooted, antisemitic imagery of the past. But the party’s hardline positions on Islam and immigration remain unchanged. Since the Paris terrorist attacks last month, the FN’s key concerns – the refugee crisis, security, the place of Islam and national identity – have become the main talking points in France, personally benefiting Le Pen.

The FN sought to capitalise on the sense of disaffection with the mainstream political class, high unemployment, inequality and social despair in a range of areas from rural villages to the northern rustbelt. The party had also capitalised on the migrant crisis, particularly in Calais where thousands of migrants are camping in squalid conditions in the hope of reaching Britain."
 
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Godobeyer

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that's good news for minority of Muslims French , some claim if they take control , there will be a civil war
 

Laika

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You do realise that they still gain lots of seats in the regions right?


But don't worry till the next presidential elections there will be a couple of more Islamist attacks.

Its just a bit of good news (for most people) I thought worth sharing. One less nutjob to worry about for now at least.
 

Flankerl

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Its just a bit of good news (for most people) I thought worth sharing. One less nutjob to worry about for now at least.

That's not how elections work.
The FN is the second strongest party in quite some regions. They aren't in power in these regions (which is a load of crap because France is about as centralist as it gets) but they still get their seats.

Those who voted for them now see that the establishment (the Socialists and Conservatives) will do everything in their power to make their voices unheard.
And that won't make them into PS or LR voters.
 

AnnaCzereda

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Not sure if it's such good news considering that the apathetic citizens voted against, not for. I'm not an expert on French politics but it's obvious the National Front under the leadership of Marine LePen is less radical than it used to be when led by her father. Some of her ideas are not unreasonable. From what I heard she's not against ordinary Muslims but against radicals. There are no-go zones in France, inhabited by Muslims, where the French law doesn't reach, where crime thrives so something must be done about it. Besides, it's not only the immigration problem that contributed to LePen's popularity but also quite high unemployment and impotence and the corruption of both conservative and socialist governments.

Now as regards NF causing civil war and bringing France to its knees, it's just a scarecrow. The same scarecrows are being pulled in my country after the far right wing party won. They are neither into nationalism or dictatorship yet there are still voices from the liberal circles that democracy is in danger. For sure, they can't come to terms with their defeat after almost a decade of their lame government.
 

Shadow Wolf

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There are no-go zones in France, inhabited by Muslims, where the French law doesn't reach, where crime thrives so something must be done about it.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp
Claim: A number of localities in the United States, France, and Britain are considered Muslim "no-go zones" (operating under Sharia Law) where local laws are not applicable.

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FALSE
 

AnnaCzereda

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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp
Claim: A number of localities in the United States, France, and Britain are considered Muslim "no-go zones" (operating under Sharia Law) where local laws are not applicable.

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FALSE
A "no go" zone is basically where the immigrants have effectively taken over an area and it has become a slum. The law still applies, but that is mostly just in theory since local law enforcement and emergency services are slow to respond or don't bother going there out of fear. Westerners in general avoid those areas out of fear for their safety.
 
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gsa

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Good. That party was founded by fascist apologists, sympathizers and Nazi collaborators, and hasn't changed in any meaningful way in that regard.

I don't know if I agree with this. Marine Le Pen has pursued a policy of "de-diabolisation," and it has increased her support immensely, including among two very unlikely fascist demographics (gays and Jews). And this is now the only major French party headed by a female politician.

In fact we see the far right doing this everywhere in the West now: The Netherlands, the UK, France, even the United States, where Trump's nativist campaign largely abandons the anti-Semitism and homophobia of the more traditional right in favor of the critique of Islam. The far right is actually changing their approach to broaden appeal to all voters with the proper ethnic matrix. I think that the economic causes are slightly different in Europe (austerity) and the US (wealth inequality), but one area that is consistent in both (asymmetrical multiculturalism) is something that the far right is taking advantage of in both contexts. Even if they don't win elections, they are shifting the Overton Window to the far right, but with significant modifications from the predecessor groups that followed in the wake of fascism's demise.

The apparent blindspots in the liberal consensus that runs most European countries is absolutely astounding. If Germany continues to pursue austerity and the Islamist attacks intensify, there is an actual chance of both President Le Pen and the UK exit from the EU in 2017.
 

Saint Frankenstein

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I don't know if I agree with this. Marine Le Pen has pursued a policy of "de-diabolisation," and it has increased her support immensely, including among two very unlikely fascist demographics (gays and Jews). And this is now the only major French party headed by a female politician.

In fact we see the far right doing this everywhere in the West now: The Netherlands, the UK, France, even the United States, where Trump's nativist campaign largely abandons the anti-Semitism and homophobia of the more traditional right in favor of the critique of Islam. The far right is actually changing their approach to broaden appeal to all voters with the proper ethnic matrix. I think that the economic causes are slightly different in Europe (austerity) and the US (wealth inequality), but one area that is consistent in both (asymmetrical multiculturalism) is something that the far right is taking advantage of in both contexts. Even if they don't win elections, they are shifting the Overton Window to the far right, but with significant modifications from the predecessor groups that followed in the wake of fascism's demise.

The apparent blindspots in the liberal consensus that runs most European countries is absolutely astounding. If Germany continues to pursue austerity and the Islamist attacks intensify, there is an actual chance of both President Le Pen and the UK exit from the EU in 2017.
Yes, neither the left or the mainstream right is prepared to deal with these issues. I'm actually far-left (old school far-left, not this New Left PC garbage), but if I were in France, I'd vote for Le Pen in a heartbeat. It's just being practical. I would never vote for Trump, though, because he is garbage.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
A "no go" zone is basically where the immigrants have effectively taken over an area and it has become a slum. The law still applies, but that is mostly just in theory since local law enforcement and emergency services are slow to respond or don't bother going there out of fear. Westerners in general avoid those areas out of fear for their safety.
I know what the "no go" zone means and implies. They aren't real. They don't exist. Even officials where they allegedly exist say they aren't there. The most outlandish goes to saying that Birmingham is mostly/essentially a giant "no go" zone.
 

Shadow Wolf

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http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/20/media/paris-mayor-sue-fox-news/index.html
Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo told CNN Tuesday she intends to sue Fox News in the wake of the channel's coverage of supposed "no-go zones" for non-Muslims.
...
The "no-go" zone segments were widely mocked and challenged as inaccurate, particularly by French media outlets.
...
Fox News anchors issued several apologies on Saturday for the segments.

With regards to Paris, "some of the neighborhoods were highlighted incorrectly," host Anna Kooiman said.
 

Flankerl

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp
Claim: A number of localities in the United States, France, and Britain are considered Muslim "no-go zones" (operating under Sharia Law) where local laws are not applicable.

red.gif
FALSE

Regarding the US: No idea.
Regarding France, UK or other countries in Europe: That's cute but rather false.

Large sections of Muslims live apart from the local laws. If something happens in the community it won't be brought to the police or other authorities whose Job is it do deal with it.
They rather go to so called peace judges. These are usually Muslims of respect in the community who then talk to each party involved and solve the problem at hand.
This isn't about petty neighbourhood problems but also theft, physical assault, rape or even murder.

Its an Islamic Judicial system beside the secular Judicial system of the country.


some of the neighborhoods

:)
 

Flankerl

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Investigative Journalism.
Quite rare these days but sometimes it happens and then it might even cover a topic that isn't PC.
 

Laika

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Premium Member
I don't know if I agree with this. Marine Le Pen has pursued a policy of "de-diabolisation," and it has increased her support immensely, including among two very unlikely fascist demographics (gays and Jews). And this is now the only major French party headed by a female politician.

In fact we see the far right doing this everywhere in the West now: The Netherlands, the UK, France, even the United States, where Trump's nativist campaign largely abandons the anti-Semitism and homophobia of the more traditional right in favor of the critique of Islam. The far right is actually changing their approach to broaden appeal to all voters with the proper ethnic matrix. I think that the economic causes are slightly different in Europe (austerity) and the US (wealth inequality), but one area that is consistent in both (asymmetrical multiculturalism) is something that the far right is taking advantage of in both contexts. Even if they don't win elections, they are shifting the Overton Window to the far right, but with significant modifications from the predecessor groups that followed in the wake of fascism's demise.

The apparent blindspots in the liberal consensus that runs most European countries is absolutely astounding. If Germany continues to pursue austerity and the Islamist attacks intensify, there is an actual chance of both President Le Pen and the UK exit from the EU in 2017.

The Far Right is doing well, and it would appear that alot of it is down to issues that aren't getting much attention. I'm not well read on Le Pen's politics beyond the labels but the difficulty is figuring out how deep the changes are and whether its just a new lick of paint or something more substantive.

That's not how elections work.
The FN is the second strongest party in quite some regions. They aren't in power in these regions (which is a load of crap because France is about as centralist as it gets) but they still get their seats.

Those who voted for them now see that the establishment (the Socialists and Conservatives) will do everything in their power to make their voices unheard.
And that won't make them into PS or LR voters.

I support Anti-Fascism, but it is very much a legacy of the Far-Left bias. Are you saying that we should let [potential] Fascists recieve representation at the national or regional level?
 
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