From the GOP playbook?

[icehorse]

Hitler himself didn't start with the gas chambers. To go as far to forbid the CDC from using certain terms, it very much is going down the same path.

Much of what the current administration is doing is frighteningly Orwellian. From the perspective of undermining democracy with an Oligarchy it has the potential to be as horrifying as the Nazis were, although in hugely different ways. It's hard to know how to quantify different horrors on such large scales, but ending western democracy would seem to hold its own against the worst that history has to offer.

Note: I'm not making any sort of black and white claims here. We were heading towards Oligarchy long before the current administration, but I think this administration is accelerating us down that horrific path.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Note: I'm not making any sort of black and white claims here. We were heading towards Oligarchy long before the current administration, but I think this administration is accelerating us down that horrific path.

No doubt. Stacking the tax cards against grad students in further in favor of wealthy "elites" while taking benefits from society's most vulnerable, the wealthiest administration ever, and the Republicans have continued their policy of refusing to compromise with Democrats. Consistently Trump seems to fail to realize his words and actions have consequences, most alarming with how he has been handling North Korea. But yet people seem reluctant to accept that Trump's "nobody knew how complicated health care can be" comment clearly demonstrates his gross incompetence, ineptitude, and that he got in way over his head.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hitler himself didn't start with the gas chambers. To go as far to forbid the CDC from using certain terms, it very much is going down the same path.

Banning some words from the CDC is the path to gas chamber, eh?
Let's presume that a parallel so vanishingly slight is cromulent.
Then when Obama required us to buy heath care insurance, he was
enacting a system similar to that used by the Nazis. (Really, they required
workers to buy the insurance.) This which means that Democrats and
Republicans both are just itching to fire up the gas chambers.

People who really believe this fantasy should be fleeing to Mexico
or Canuckistan in droves. But do they realy believe such malarky?
Nah....it's just histrionics & thoughtless Trump bashing. And it
trivializes the enormity of what the Nazis actually did.
In a way, this is to enable Trump by making a critique which no one
will take seriously. This causes loss of credibility, and it takes time
& energy from fighting actual policy changes.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Then when Obama required us to buy heath care insurance, he was
enacting a system similar to that used by the Nazis.

The Dutch also require it. But there is a difference between requiring insurance and prohibiting an agency from banning certain words. One is about keeping a sub-standard for-profit model of health care afloat, the other is about controlling information.

 

[Revoltingest]

The Dutch also require it. But there is a difference between requiring insurance and prohibiting an agency from banning certain words. One is about keeping a sub-standard for-profit model of health care afloat, the other is about controlling information.

Still, Obama was taking a page from the Nazi playbook.
A standard of judgement applied to one party should be
applied to all, no matter how uncomfortable the result.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Still, Obama was taking a page from the Nazi playbook.

He actually took it from Romney, who himself took it from the Dutch. Not that I like it, because profit and health care don't belong together, but it's more of "the problem of letting the free market get its grubby fingers on everything it can" than "something bad the Nazis did."

 

[sun rise]

Still, Obama was taking a page from the Nazi playbook.
A standard of judgement applied to one party should be
applied to all, no matter how uncomfortable the result.

Compared to the current regime, President Obama walked on water.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Compared to the current regime, President Obama walked on water.

Wish I could agree, but I'm not overly fond of endless and fruitless military interventions/actions/whatever terms they want to use, be they boots on the ground, remote controlled bombers, or pointless bombings that didn't accomplish anything except waste tax payer dollars.

 

[sun rise]

Wish I could agree, but I'm not overly fond of endless and fruitless military interventions/actions/whatever terms they want to use, be they boots on the ground, remote controlled bombers, or pointless bombings that didn't accomplish anything except waste tax payer dollars.

By any objective standard, he did many things I don't like. But compared to the current regime, I'd take him back in a heartbeat.

 

[YmirGF]

Wish I could agree, but I'm not overly fond of endless and fruitless military interventions/actions/whatever terms they want to use, be they boots on the ground, remote controlled bombers, or pointless bombings that didn't accomplish anything except waste tax payer dollars.

As well as the ludicrous unsigned "agreement" with Iran.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I swear this could have come from the GOP playbook:

“The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out.

Thus we see that propaganda must follow a simple line and correspondingly the basic tactics must be psychologically sound.”

Do you know where it really came from?

Oh brother.......Hitler's Mein Kampf. Again and again.

Pretty par on course for the libs.

Gawd, Is there no originality when criticizing the GOP other than comparing the GOP with Hitler all the time?

Liberals have no imagination.

 

[Revoltingest]

He actually took it from Romney, who himself took it from the Dutch.

But since the GOP are nascent Nazis, so is Obama for aping Romney.
Face it....if one looks enthusiastically for slim parallels with Nazis, this
Democrats will fare poorly too.

Not that I like it, because profit and health care don't belong together, but it's more of "the problem of letting the free market get its grubby fingers on everything it can" than "something bad the Nazis did."

The only thing worse here than profit & health care is government run health care.

 

[Revoltingest]

Compared to the current regime, President Obama walked on water.

That's more of a partisan perspective.
A neutral approach is to look at what the
Prez intends, & how much of it got done.
By that measure, Trump is successful.

 

[icehorse]

Gawd, Is there no originality when criticizing the GOP other than comparing the GOP with Hitler all the time?

When the shoe fits. And of course, the only comparison the OP is making concerns effective propaganda, so don't get too far ahead of yourself.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But since the GOP are nascent Nazis

I said Trump is going down the same path, offering his CDC word ban to support my claim. It doesn't necessarily mean he'll catch up, but controlling information if frequently found in the dictators playbook.

The only thing worse here than profit & health care is government run health care.

The only place I'm aware where the government runs health care is the VA, and I've heard mixed things about from vets. With my former insurance, all they did was pay the bill. And regardless of it's public or private insurance, doctors and clinicians have to carefully choose their words many times so insurance will reimburse them for care. That aspect of having to bend the knee for payment is a problem.

 

[Revoltingest]

I said Trump is going down the same path, offering his CDC word ban to support my claim. It doesn't necessarily mean he'll catch up, but controlling information if frequently found in the dictators playbook.

To be "going down the same path" sure sounds like "nascent" to me.

 

[icehorse]

But since the GOP are nascent Nazis, so is Obama for aping Romney.
Face it....if one looks enthusiastically for slim parallels with Nazis, this
Democrats will fare poorly too.

To some extent all politicians lie. But recently the GOP is taking lying to a whole new level - it is literally Orwellian, e.g. the nature of the GOP's attacks on the press.

The only thing worse here than profit & health care is government run health care.

There are 30-odd countries with government run health care that provide better health care than our current system.

World Health Organization's Ranking of the World's Health Systems

 

[Revoltingest]

To some extent all politicians lie. But recently the GOP is taking lying to a whole new level - it is literally Orwellian, e.g. the nature of the GOP's attacks on the press.

Nah...I think Trump is an aberration compared to other Pubs pols.

There are 30-odd countries with government run health care that provide better health care than our current system.
World Health Organization's Ranking of the World's Health Systems

Just because others do it well doesn't mean we will.
Our government doesn't provide it....they just meddle in it.
As I've said before, it's possible that we could have a
single payer system which functions well....but would we?

 

[sun rise]

That's more of a partisan perspective.
A neutral approach is to look at what the
Prez intends, & how much of it got done.
By that measure, Trump is successful.

There are many who are successful by that measure such as white-collar criminals. Success at doing the wrong thing is "success" only by the most literal consideration of the word "success".

 

[Revoltingest]

There are many who are successful by that measure such as white-collar criminals. Success at doing the wrong thing is "success" only by the most literal consideration of the word "success".

Defining "success" should eschew partisanship.
Otherwise, the tendency is that....
Dems'll say every Dem Prez is successful, & every Pub Prez is unsuccessful.
Pubs'll say every Pub Prez is successful, & every Dem Prez is unsuccessful.