Ft. Lauderdale Airport Shooting

[Neo Deist]

At least 5 dead, 8 hospitalized after shooting at Ft. Lauderdale airport

Fort Lauderdale airport shooting: Multiple people killed - CNN.com

Summary: a lone gunman opened fire on people at the airport. Several dead, many more injured. Gunman in custody.

 

[Neo Deist]

Now let's get to the discussion...

Conservatives: if someone had a gun, they could have stopped him!
Liberals: it was an airport, no one could have a gun outside of law enforcement.

Liberals: this is why we need tighter control laws. This needs to stop.
Conservatives: yes, the shootings need to stop. But how does making tighter gun control laws affect criminals who get their guns illegally and don't care about laws?

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Now let's get to the discussion...

Conservatives: if someone had a gun, they could have stopped him!
Liberals: it was an airport, no one could have a gun outside of law enforcement.

Liberals: this is why we need tighter control laws. This needs to stop.
Conservatives: yes, the shootings need to stop. But how does making tighter gun control laws affect criminals who get their guns illegally and don't care about laws?

Or, get their guns legally, then go crazy or otherwise decide to use them on people.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Consider the deaths a down payment on a few more gun sales.....

 

[Debater Slayer]

Now let's get to the discussion...

Conservatives: if someone had a gun, they could have stopped him!
Liberals: it was an airport, no one could have a gun outside of law enforcement.

Liberals: this is why we need tighter control laws. This needs to stop.
Conservatives: yes, the shootings need to stop. But how does making tighter gun control laws affect criminals who get their guns illegally and don't care about laws?

It sure took you long to put a self-serving political twist on another tragedy, didn't it?

My condolences to the victims' families and friends, and hopefully all involved in committing the crime will be properly brought to justice.

 

[JakofHearts]

 

[Flame]

Or, get their guns legally, then go crazy or otherwise decide to use them on people.

While the rest of the hundreds of thousands of legal and law abiding gun owners smash our heads into walls at the idiocy another nutcase.

 

[Neo Deist]

It sure took you long to put a self-serving political twist on another tragedy, didn't it?

My condolences to the victims' families and friends, and hopefully all involved in committing the crime will be properly brought to justice.

Oh come off of it. We both know that is exactly what any type of mass shooting post would turn into. It is also why I separated the posts between the incident and then the follow up discussion. And no, I did not turn anything into a self-serving political twist, as I stated what both sides would say.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

While the rest of the hundreds of thousands of legal and law abiding gun owners smash our heads into walls at the idiocy another nutcase.

Sure, there are people who are idiots, and who harmful things to others.

My point was that there are more alternatives that 1) law abiding gun owners, and 2) people who have illegally acquired guns: there are also people legally own guns, who get drunk, or depressed, or mentally ill, or angry, or who later become motivated by politics, or racism, or etc.

My suggestion is that if you don't like smashing your head into the wall over the idiocy of another nutcase, start requiring more and better background checks, but also providing more and better treatment options for "nutcases."

 

[Debater Slayer]

Oh come off of it. We both know that is exactly what any type of mass shooting post would turn into. It is also why I separated the posts between the incident and then the follow up discussion. And no, I did not turn anything into a self-serving political twist, as I stated what both sides would say.

You stated what you thought both sides would say, but that doesn't necessarily reflect reality. There are way too many liberals and conservatives for you to narrow down what they would say like that.

 

[Revoltingest]

You stated what you thought both sides would say, but that doesn't necessarily reflect reality. There are way too many liberals and conservatives for you to narrow down what they would say like that.

If I may step in, I inferred that he was lamenting how the usual suspects would begin
the same claim & counter-claim that we've endured here so many times before.

 

[Debater Slayer]

If I may step in, I inferred that he was lamenting how the usual suspects would begin
the same claim & counter-claim that we've endured here so many times before.

The way you put it makes it sound balanced, but the impression I got seemed to me to indicate otherwise (i.e., more partisanship).

I'd rather not discuss a third person's specific comments with someone else, though, just to stay on the safe side of Rule 1.

 

[Revoltingest]

The way you put it makes it sound balanced, but the impression I got seemed to me to indicate otherwise (i.e., more partisanship).
I'd rather not discuss a third person's specific comments with someone else, though, just to stay on the safe side of Rule 1.

It looked like balanced derision to me.
If I had emotions, I'd have been offended too.
I think it's OK to discuss the reading of a post.
I'm not addressing the poster by doing this.

 

[Neo Deist]

The way you put it makes it sound balanced, but the impression I got seemed to me to indicate otherwise (i.e., more partisanship).

I'd rather not discuss a third person's specific comments with someone else, though, just to stay on the safe side of Rule 1.

Now let's get to the discussion...

Conservatives: if someone had a gun, they could have stopped him!
Liberals: it was an airport, no one could have a gun outside of law enforcement.

Liberals: this is why we need tighter control laws. This needs to stop.
Conservatives: yes, the shootings need to stop. But how does making tighter gun control laws affect criminals who get their guns illegally and don't care about laws?

If someone had a gun... = pro conservative argument
It was an airport... = pro liberal (or anyone with a brain) counter that is true

We need tighter control laws... = pro liberal argument
Criminals don't care about laws = pro conservative counter that is true

One argument for each and one counter for each.

I am guessing it has to do with perception and being biased toward a particular view (directed at the general population).

 

[Debater Slayer]

It looked like balanced derision to me.
If I had emotions, I'd have been offended too.
I think it's OK to discuss the reading of a post.
I'm not addressing the poster by doing this.

If someone had a gun... = pro conservative argument
It was an airport... = pro liberal (or anyone with a brain) counter that is true

We need tighter control laws... = pro liberal argument
Criminals don't care about laws = pro conservative counter that is true

One argument for each and one counter for each.

I'll take your word for it, although some of your posts elsewhere do make me wonder if you lean toward the conservative argument.

On the topic of the thread in general, is there any indication as to what kind of legal penalty such a shooting carries? I'm not familiar enough with U.S. law to know.

 

[Neo Deist]

I'll take your word for it, although some of your posts elsewhere do make me wonder if you lean toward the conservative argument.

On the topic of the thread in general, is there any indication as to what kind of legal penalty such a shooting carries? I'm not familiar enough with U.S. law to know.

Murder = killing of another human being with criminal intent (not self defense).
Capital Murder = killing of another human being with criminal intent while in the process of committing another felony crime (such as another murder).

Capital Murder charge can receive the death penalty, depending on the state that the crimes were committed in.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'll take your word for it, although some of your posts elsewhere do make me wonder if you lean toward the conservative argument.

Conservatives & libertarians find much common ground in supporting
gun rights, & on the efficacy of using guns in self defense.

On the topic of the thread in general, is there any indication as to what kind of legal penalty such a shooting carries? I'm not familiar enough with U.S. law to know.

It's murder, carrying the highest penalty the state allows.
This varies....life imprisonment in some....death in others.

 

[oldbadger]

We need tighter control laws... = pro liberal argument.

Hi.......
Ha ha!
So to Americans, the word 'Liberal' means 'more controls'?

...so funny.....!

 

[Neo Deist]

Hi.......
Ha ha!
So to Americans, the word 'Liberal' means 'more controls'?

...so funny.....!

American politics are a mess. The positions of the parties actually flipped sides between Abraham Lincoln and modern times.

 

[oldbadger]

American politics are a mess. The positions of the parties actually flipped sides between Abraham Lincoln and modern times.

Fair enough....
Folks need to put their colours and party-names aside, and just think for themselves.

One 'angle' from a foreigner...... many talk about how useful it could be if honest legitimate gun carriers might be nearby, but threre very rarely have been any, and it takes much training and much experience for a gun carrier to be a gun slinger.

More Controls looks like a better way to go......