Fuhrer Trump: No muslim welcome for 4 months

[Terrywoodenpic]

It might be prejudice it's not irrational. Trump promised the anti-Muslim voters action. He has to keep some promises if he's to keep them sweet. Compared to banning all Muslims and creating registers this is pretty moderate.

Likewise with the wall. If he isn't to seem to be another elitist, faceless politician in tight with the establishment he has to do something. He'll build something half-arsed but enough to save some face.

What you describe is total irrationality.
Keeping a stupid promise is not rational.

 

[metis]

I am only arguing that comparing Trump to Hitler at this point in time is a false equivalency.

Actually it's not because one really should compare what the NAZI's did very early on versus what the Trump administration has decreed in their first week. Trump continually played the we-v-they card during the campaign, and this he has not only not backed off on since taking office, and he has actually put some of this bigotry into motion.

And there are some other danger signs that simply should be dealt with right away versus taking a wait-and-see attitude. Had people in Germany stood up right away when the NAZI's began their gradual crackdown on "not true Germans" and the suppression of the media, there's a good chance the Holocaust could have been prevented.

And did you notice that there was no mention of "Jews" in the administration's Holocaust statement, btw? How could they supposedly "inadvertently" forget that? And what about Bannon and his record of anti-Semitic statements, and he was one of Trump's earliest appointees?

No, a wait-and-see delay cannot be tolerated, but those of us who react must do so in an intelligent way so as to not feed into the hand of those whom are prone to bigotry. Protests are fine-- violent protests tend to be self-defeating.

 

[Scuba Pete]

What you describe is total irrationality.
Keeping a stupid promise is not rational.

What about Komrade Trumpsky has been rational? Give us one rational EO he has signed. He's been pandering to his basket ever since he got hold of that evil pen of his.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

What about Komrade Trumpsky has been rational? Give us one rational EO he has signed. He's been pandering to his basket ever since he got hold of that evil pen of his.

Have you ever seen a president smirking over an EO before.
He looks like an orgiastic pickled frog holding that up.

 

[Scuba Pete]

orgiastic pickled frog

I kind of like that... but Komrade Trumpsky is so much easier to type!

 

[metis]

He looks like an orgiastic pickled frog holding that up.

That's an insult to orgiastic picked frogs, and you should be ashamed!

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

That's an insult to orgiastic picked frogs, and you should be ashamed!

Well he looks rather like a male frog holding tight to a spawning female.
Perhaps it is a position he knows well.
The mind boggles at the picture of it..........

is holding the paper like that to cover his excitement.?

"Some people might think that, I could't possibly......."

 

[columbus]

You shouldn't be surprised. "Never Again" never really caught on in the ultra-Orthodox world.

But then again, I am not arguing that one shouldn't be wary of Trump or that he is a good person. I am only arguing that comparing Trump to Hitler at this point in time is a false equivalency.

I guess we just have to wait and see if he invades Poland or not, eh?
Tom

 

[leibowde84]

Donald Trump is now officially gunning for the Muslims. On Friday, he signed an executive order titled Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry Into the United States. The order is nothing short of a Muslim ban by another name. It is cruel and callous, espouses positions contrary to the professed values of the United States, and will certainly produce more problems than it purports to solve. In other words, it’s exactly like Donald Trump.

I cannot tell you how livid these scant pages of bureaucratic language make me. In them, Trump is returning the country to the dark days of excluding masses of people on the basis of our national prejudices. It’s as if we’ve reverted to the late 19th century when laws were passed to bar Chinese entry to the United States, but this time the action is by executive fiat and trained on Muslims. Not incidentally, the case law for Chinese Exclusion also established the legal authority for the National Security Entry-Exist Registration System (Nseers), the US government’s previous incarnation of a Muslim registry. We’re never far away from our demons.






Well he can ban muslims but he cant put them in concentration camps out of fear for "eye for an eye" and also economical reasons.
Ironically he didnt put Saudi Arabia and other gulf states in his list because money talks.

I agree. Actually, there have been no terrorist attacks on US soil from any of the counties included on the list. On the other hand, there have been many attacks by people from Middle Eastern countries that weren't included on the list. Most likely, he has business ties with the countries that weren't included. But, because he won't release his tax returns or any information on his business dealings, we have no way of holding him accountable.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

See: Morton Grove Muslim center rally draws crowd, rails against Trump's actions

My wife and I were there (as was our Rabbi). We're thankful for such good neighbors.

 

[Yerda]

What you describe is total irrationality.
Keeping a stupid promise is not rational.

I'm tempted to agree that it's just nuts, but there seems to be a sad logic to what this new administration are doing. Maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there.

Just saw this: Trump's Muslim ban is a dangerous distraction

 

[Tumah]

I guess we just have to wait and see if he invades Poland or not, eh?
Tom

I am not advocating wait and see. I am advocating judging him for what he is[/] doing. To point out that Hitler started off in a similar vein is one thing. To already place him on equal footing with Hitler by calling him Fuhrer is just libel.

 

[Tumah]

How? The deplorable detentions of Japanese, Germans and Italians during WW II was a result of EO 9066, but it wasn't specifically mentioned in it. Do yourself a favor and read it. It reads fine, but it gave too much power to bigots. BTW, I don't think we have FDR on record advocating waterboarding.

How? Because FDR refused refugees from war-torn countries. Because FDR did put Americans in internment camps. This is much closer to what Trump advocates than Hitler.

Komrade Trumpsky shares more similarities with Hitler than any other American President. Here's a good read: Opinion: Just how similar is Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler? It would be easy to pass this off as a Godwin's Law Violation (too many Hitlers on the Field), but the comparison unfortunately holds mainly due to the systematic racism the man is asking for.

What I got from the article was that Trump is not advocating the same things Hitler did, but he's using the same tactics to push the things he does want.

 

[columbus]

I am advocating judging him for what he is[/] doing.

I am advocating judging Trump on the basis of what Hitler was doing at the same point in his political career. The early 30s, not waiting until he is just like Hitler in the 40s.

That will be a little too late.
Tom

 

[BSM1]

Are you playing dumb, or are you really asking? The latter is a type of bigot based on who's indigenous to a particular country. Normally, their racial memory is flawed. Here in the US, many natavists forgot that they were invaders once and demanded that all blacks be sent back to Africa. Natavists are bigots ergo they are scum. Bigotry and and form of hate speech is reprehensible.

So, in your opinion, natavists deserve the name calling and the hate speech?

 

[Scuba Pete]

Trump is not advocating the same things Hitler did, but he's using the same tactics

I want you to reread this a few times. Let what you said sink in. I mean really sink in.

Because FDR refused refugees from war-torn countries.

I can't seem to find that EO, could you please point it out for me?
I did find EO 9080, where he agreed to work with Mexico for joint defense. Not a thing Komrade Trumpsky would be willing to do. FDR got us out of the Great Depression and Komrade Trumpsky is about to put us through one.

So, I sincerely ask. Did you read the link I supplied? It's pretty alarming if you didn't and perhaps it was too overwhelming to contemplate just WHO is in the White House now. You owe to yourself to view it and consider the plausibilities.

 

[Scuba Pete]

So, in your opinion, natavists deserve the name calling and the hate speech?

Only by sheer definition of a natavist. Somehow, I don't think you get the implications inherent in that. Natavists are not a religion, creed, race, nationality, sexual preference, etc etc. It's a euphemism for bigots... or actually a rather subtle variation of bigots.

 

[BSM1]

Only by sheer definition of a natavist. Somehow, I don't think you get the implications inherent in that. Natavists are not a religion, creed, race, nationality, sexual preference, etc etc. It's a euphemism for bigots... or actually a rather subtle variation of bigots.

Could you give us an example of someone who has declared themselves a "natavist"?

 

[Scuba Pete]

Could you give us an example of someone who has declared themselves a "natavist"?

No, but probably as many who claim to be a bigot. Here... let me put it in perspective for you:

 

[Revoltingest]

So, in your opinion, natavists deserve the name calling and the hate speech?

You don't appear to understand how hate speech works.
It's only "hate speech" if someone else abuses someone I like.
But if I hate someone, they deserve it, so it's not abuse or hate speech....it's the truth.
I hope you found this edifying, for I am here to serve.