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Fundamentalist Atheists

Uberpod

Active Member
I didn't make any assumptions. I looked up the etymology of "atheism", and I reported exactly what I found. If you have found something else, please share, and I will reassess what I have said. Otherwise, I must assume you are mistaken.
You plugged the word into an online search engine, then you went on as if you had a complete etymological analysis of the word. You did not have that. One third of the word was left unaddressed. I pointed that out to you and you have refused to budge. Stay where you are if you wish. :cool:
 

AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
One of my degrees is in English which included classes in linguistics and etymology, not that that matters much. I did not pursue that field professionally.

It matters if you're going to tell Falvlun: You attempted homework but your analysis is muddled. You get partial credit at best.

I don't mean to offend but I'm a bit surprised that you say you've had linguistics courses. You didn't learn that etymology has no necessary relationship to current word meaning? And that believing we can manipulate a word's morphemes to arrive at its meaning -- that's a rather fundamental mistake which untrained people tend to make with the language?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I myself have the equivalent of an advanced masters degree in English Literature which I achieved by writing over 2000 posts on my personal blog. Just so y'all know.

I also have an IQ of 140 as measured by my mother's opinion of my smarts.
 

AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
I myself have the equivalent of an advanced masters degree in English Literature which I achieved by writing over 2000 posts on my personal blog. Just so y'all know.

I also have an IQ of 140 as measured by my mother's opinion of my smarts.

My IQ is so high that I couldn't even count to it until I was six weeks old!
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
My IQ is so high that I couldn't even count to it until I was six weeks old!

Tell me about it! I had to learn scientific notation before I could properly represent your IQ. And I didn't learn that until I was two months old.
 

AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
Tell me about it! I had to learn scientific notation before I could properly represent your IQ. And I didn't learn that until I was two months old.

I would have called you with some tips except that I didn't invent the cell phone until much later, and by that time I had discovered girls and was busy chasing them around my kindergarten class.
 

Uberpod

Active Member
It matters if you're going to tell Falvlun: You attempted homework but your analysis is muddled. You get partial credit at best.
FYI, My reference to homework was in response to the following playful taunt:


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I particularly like that one of the earliest meanings was "ungodliness". You guys really need to do your homework before you start waving your "Etymology FTW!!1!!" banners.

You attempted homework but your analysis is muddled. You get partial credit at best.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
My rather humble truthful answer to a question does not rise to the level of that stereotypical boastful lie, now does it?

No Mr. I HAVE MULTIPLE DEGREES, it sinks even lower. You tried to win an argument by boasting that you have multiple degrees, something that we have no way of verifying. And the evidence given suggest that you may be fibbing.

We have seen this a thousand times before. I should know I have a Doctorate in Tauro-scatology.
 

Uberpod

Active Member
A word is grounded by it's etymology but not bound by it. Bible believers seem to love getting slippery with words. I wonder why.
 

AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
A word is grounded by it's etymology but not bound by it.

I think that's a tautology: A word is grounded by its etymology.

But I agree that words are not bound by their origins.

Bible believers seem to love getting slippery with words. I wonder why.

Actually, in my experience, Bible believers are the most likely ones to insist upon the inflexible, even-holy meaning of their words.
 

Uberpod

Active Member
No Mr. I HAVE MULTIPLE DEGREES, it sinks even lower. You tried to win an argument by boasting that you have multiple degrees, something that we have no way of verifying. And the evidence given suggest that you may be fibbing.

We have seen this a thousand times before. I should know I have a Doctorate in Tauro-scatology.

I did the exact opposite of trying to use that to win the argument - stated that it is irrelevant to this discussion. My argument succeeds or fails on it's cogency alone.

I was pretty much set up for this detour as can plainly be seen by anyone reading the thread. I fell for the trap of answering that personal question when I simply should have ignored it. My bad, I suppose.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
And politicians....and atheists.....and lawyers.....

Right, because we all know that atheists should be lumped in with politicians and lawyers. After all, our standards for what is true do not require us to be embarrassed when we lack any evidence for our claims.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
You plugged the word into an online search engine, then you went on as if you had a complete etymological analysis of the word. You did not have that. One third of the word was left unaddressed. I pointed that out to you and you have refused to budge. Stay where you are if you wish. :cool:

You have asserted many things regarding the etymology of "atheism" without any proof to back them up, in the face of evidence to the contrary. I didn't just look at one source. Multiple sources corroborated what I have posted.

If you type in "etymology of atheism", google automatically states precisely what I have stated. The next source is the one I cited. The third source is Wikipedia, which says the same thing: The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without god(s)", used as a pejorative term applied to those thought to reject the gods worshipped by the larger society.

The fourth source in line is "ironchariots.org". It is a bit more detailed, but again says the same thing:
In early ancient Greek, the adjective atheos (ἄθεος, from the privative ἀ- + θεός "god") meant "godless". It was first used as a term of censure roughly meaning "ungodly" or "impious". In the 5th century BCE, the word began to indicate more-intentional, active godlessness in the sense of "severing relations with the gods" or "denying the gods", instead of the earlier meaning of "impious". The term ἀσεβής (asebēs) then came to be applied against those who impiously denied or disrespected the local gods, even if they believed in other gods. Modern translations of classical texts sometimes render atheos as "atheistic". As an abstract noun, there was also ἀθεότης (atheotēs), "atheism". Cicero transliterated the Greek word into the Latin atheos. The term found frequent use in the debate between early Christians and Hellenists, with each side attributing it, in the pejorative sense, to the other.

In English, the term atheism was derived from the French athéisme in about 1587. The term atheist (from Fr. athée), in the sense of "one who denies or disbelieves the existence of God", predates atheism in English, being first attested in about 1571. Atheist as a label of practical godlessness was used at least as early as 1577. Related words emerged later: deist in 1621, theist in 1662; theism in 1678; and deism in 1682. Deism and theism changed meanings slightly around 1700, due to the influence of atheism; deism was originally used as a synonym for today's theism, but came to denote a separate philosophical doctrine.
Karen Armstrong writes that "During the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, the word 'atheist' was still reserved exclusively for polemic ... The term 'atheist' was an insult. Nobody would have dreamed of calling himself an atheist". Atheism was first used to describe a self-avowed belief in late 18th-century Europe, specifically denoting disbelief in the monotheistic Abrahamic god. In the 20th century, globalization contributed to the expansion of the term to refer to disbelief in all deities, though it remains common in Western society to describe atheism as simply "disbelief in God".

I skipped the next couple because they were merely dictionary or bloggish sources. The next respectable looking one was this:

The words "atheism" and "atheist" originated from the Ancient Greek word "ἄθεος"4 ("átheos") meaning "without deities" without any direct or implied anti-theistic (or anti-religious) connotation, for it was impartial in its initially intended use. Philosophical atheist thought is also believed to have begun in Asia and Europe as early as 600 BCE.

Although "atheism" is sometimes assumed to be derived from the word "theism," it actually predates12 it. Originally the concept of "atheism" was contributed by the Greeks in 5th Century BCE, and then the words "atheist" and "atheism" were later introduced in the mid-to-late 1580s CE (adapted from the French words "athée" and "athéisme"), almost one century before the words "theist" and "theism" were added to the English language in the 1660s and 1670s CE.
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Again, it says the same exact thing.

I am not interpreting anything. I am not making any assumptions. I am simply regurgitating what every single source on the topic states.

Now, do you have any evidence to support your position?
 
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