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Fundamentalist Atheists

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AmbiguousGuy

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IHaveTheGift said:
Either one believes in deities or they don't. :yes:
After that is established, it becomes personal and things begin to vary all over the board, depending on the person.

Can't we at least agree on that?
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No. For some of us, belief is not an ON/OFF switch.

Instead, we assign percentages to truth matters.
 
CynthiaCypher

CynthiaCypher

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Bunyip said:
I know what the term 'label' means Cynthia, as opposed to 'predjudice' or 'bias'.

How we should best define another person's position is by asking them what their position is.
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What do ou have against identifiers? How can a person articulate their position without the use of identifiers?

Try to construct a single sentence without using identifiers.
 
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IHaveTheGift

U know who U R
AmbiguousGuy said:
No. For some of us, belief is not an ON/OFF switch.

Instead, we assign percentages to truth matters.
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What? :facepalm:
who said anything about switches?
And I said after one or the other is established, everything is all over the place, you worded it as %'s
:sarcastic
Everyone has a different stance, we all do.

I know no one that has a switch, not a one.
 
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AmbiguousGuy

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IHaveTheGift said:
What? :facepalm:
who said anything about switches?
And I said after one or the other is established, everything is all over the place, you worded it as %'s
:sarcastic
Everyone has a different stance, we all do.

I know no one that has a switch, not a one.
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You said:

Either one believes in deities or they don't. :yes:

Then you asked if we could all agree to that.

I answered that we can't agree about it because for some of us, belief isn't an Either/Or proposition.

But maybe you're using language in some way entirely foreign to me. Who knows.
 
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AmbiguousGuy

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Willamena said:
It is and it isn't. In so far as a belief has identity (it is a belief or it isn't) there is an "on/off" switch.
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Not sure what you mean.

You seem to be saying that if a belief either exists or doesn't exist, then we can either believe or not believe?

No, I'm just confused. Sorry.
 
CynthiaCypher

CynthiaCypher

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AmbiguousGuy said:
No. For some of us, belief is not an ON/OFF switch.

Instead, we assign percentages to truth matters.
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Faith is something you do, not just some attribute you have. I choose to have faith in the things I believe and I can also choose not to have faith in them if I wanted to.
 
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IHaveTheGift

U know who U R
AmbiguousGuy said:
You said:

Either one believes in deities or they don't. :yes:

Then you asked if we could all agree to that.

I answered that we can't agree about it because for some of us, belief isn't an Either/Or proposition.

But maybe you're using language in some way entirely foreign to me. Who knows.
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We are all different and have different positions, right? :facepalm:
Seriously?
What, are you trying to say we are not diff, we are robots then?
Dude, there is no on off switch :sarcastic
 
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IHaveTheGift

U know who U R
CynthiaCypher said:
So you don't have faith that the water will be wet when you take a shower?
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Good luck with that one.
Certain people convince themselves they go through life with cold hard facts only, you can't tear that wall down. :yes:

Ironically, I pretty much do that, I require facts all the time, but who doesn't?
But that's a different story completely.
 
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CynthiaCypher

CynthiaCypher

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IHaveTheGift said:
Good luck with that one.
Certain people convince themselves they go through life with cold hard facts only, you can't tear that wall down. :yes:

Ironically, I pretty much do that, I require facts all the time, but who doesn't?
But that's a different story completely.
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Naive realism is just a funny position to take. I often wonder how people who take that position function in the world.
 
TheGunShoj

TheGunShoj

Active Member
CynthiaCypher said:
Naive realism is just a funny position to take. I often wonder how people who take that position function in the world.
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If you are referring to knowing with absolutely certainty that the water is wet than I would have to concede since we can't know anything with absolute certainty, But I don't have faith. I have a reasonable expectation based on every shower I've taken in the past and confirming with other people who take showers that I have spoken to. 'wet' is just a label we use to describe an attribute of water.

IHaveTheGift said:
We all function in the world, never the less.

I cant help it that the afterlife is a brute fact to me though.
It's a position I am certain of.
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How are you certain of it?
 
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