Gay parenthood

[Estro Felino]

There's an article I've found interesting.
http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/ovic/Vie...iva2_tcc&zid=a9764475de34e422c34761f9631ce865

Gay parenthood is a very delicate topic. I want to underline that I deeply believe that a gay person can be a wonderful and loving parent. Some gay people are better parents than ordinary straight people.
But when it deals with parenthood, I think that prudence is the keyword. Because parenthood is not about the will to be parents. It is about the love children need and what they expect from their parents.

I think that we should be prudent. I would freak out if I found out that two gay parents teach their child that woman plays no role in life.
Gay parents must teach straight sexual education to their children.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

There's an article I've found interesting.
http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/ovic/Vie...iva2_tcc&zid=a9764475de34e422c34761f9631ce865

Gay parenthood is a very delicate topic. I want to underline that I deeply believe that a gay person can be a wonderful and loving parent. Some gay people are better parents than ordinary straight people.
But when it deals with parenthood, I think that prudence is the keyword. Because parenthood is not about the will to be parents. It is about the love children need and what they expect from their parents.

I think that we should be prudent. I would freak out if I found out that two gay parents teach their child that woman has no role in life.
Gay parents must and I underline must teach straight sexual education to their children.

You want to play this game?

Okay, let's rule that all parents must give their children sexual education. Period. No biases towards gender roles, heterosexuality, homosexuality, or otherwise. This would be a government mandate and would act like homeschooling. Sound ridiculous? It's fair. Much fairer than placing higher importance in heterosexual sexual education.

Childhood, not parenthood, is delicate. People have children and don't care for them or outright harm them and, because they're in a heterosexual married relationship, they are less scrutinized. What a load of crap.

 

[StarryNightshade]

I would freak out if I found out that two gay parents teach their child that woman has no role in life.

No rational person would do this. Hell, I don't think anyone (aside from your paranoid self) would even think of such a notion.

Gay parents must teach straight sexual education to their children.

How about just comprehensive sex education in general? Regardless of the orientation involved?

 

[Estro Felino]

You want to play this game?

Okay, let's rule that all parents must give their children sexual education. Period. No biases towards gender roles, heterosexuality, homosexuality, or otherwise. This would be a government mandate and would act like homeschooling. Sound ridiculous? It's fair. Much fairer than placing higher importance in heterosexual sexual education.

Childhood, not parenthood, is delicate. People have children and don't care for them or outright harm them and, because they're in a heterosexual married relationship, they are less scrutinized. What a load of crap.

What I meant is that, unfortunately, some gay men (a small percentage) are misogynists.
Two gay parents are supposed to talk to their10 year old son about women. And they are supposed to tell him that women are wonderful creatures, who deserve respect, blah blah.
But if the gay parent in question is a misogynist, it is unavoidable that he will talk about women negatively. Or sometimes...in a moment of anger, he may call women names.

what if the kid in question grows up thinking that women are wicked?

 

[Skwim]

No rational person would do this. Hell, I don't think anyone (aside from your paranoid self) would even think of such a notion.



How about just comprehensive sex education in general? Regardless of the orientation involved?

Exactly

 

[Gjallarhorn]

What I meant is that, unfortunately, some gay men (a small percentage) are misogynists.
Two gay parents are supposed to talk to 10 year old boys about women. And they are supposed to tell him that women are wonderful creatures, who deserve respect, blah blah.
But if the gay parent in question is a misogynist, it is unavoidable that he will talk about women negatively. Or sometimes...in a moment of anger, he may call women names.

what if the kid in question grows up thinking that women are all b**ches?

This can happen in married relationships as well as single-parent situations. Why single out gay people? Why single out misogyny and not just prejudice? Why stigmatize a small fraction of a larger problem and loudly tout it's for the children when all it is is misdirected bigotry?

 

[Estro Felino]

How about just comprehensive sex education in general? Regardless of the orientation involved?

well...I think that sex education includes sociology, besides biology (anatomy). And if you talk about sociology, you have to talk necessarily about the relationships between the two genders.

 

[methylatedghosts]

well...I think that sex education includes sociology, besides biology (anatomy). And if you talk about sociology, you have to talk necessarily about the relationships between the two genders.

And tell them that a friendship between males and females is unhealthy, right?

 

[Estro Felino]

This can happen in married relationships as well as single-parent situations. Why single out gay people? Why single out misogyny and not just prejudice? Why stigmatize a small fraction of a larger problem and loudly tout it's for the children when all it is is misdirected bigotry?

Why don't we argue on the first part of my speech?
all right...my last sentence was a bit exaggerated. I just wanted to underline that gay parents are supposed not to universalize gay love, especially when they talk about romance or sex to their children.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Why don't we argue on the first part of my speech?
all right...my last sentence was a bit exaggerated. I just wanted to underline that gay parents are supposed not to universalize gay love, especially when they talk about romance or sex to their children.

And likewise, straight parents shouldn't advocate only straight love.

How is this hard to understand? Why does it need to be stated? Why are you assuming gay parents only teach and advocate gay love?

 

[Wirey]

If you let two gay people raise a child, it will turn out gay. Just like when two heterosexual people raise a child, it turns out Christian.

 

[Skwim]

I just wanted to underline that gay parents are supposed not to universalize gay love, especially when they talk about romance or sex to their children.

Unlike what some straight parents do.

 

[Estro Felino]

As I said, I think that two gay parents are capable of giving so much love to their children. And I've seen so many children happy and proud of their gay parents.

But I posted that article (I don't expect you to read it, just to take a brief look at it) to show you why people (including me, maybe) show perplexity when it deals with institutionalizing gay parenthood.
besides,....gay parents already exist in countries like mine. It deals with divorced or widowed men who became gay...and so they keep growing their children with their gay partners.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

As I said, I think that two gay parents are capable of giving so much love to their children. And I've seen so many children happy and proud of their gay parents.

But I posted that article (I don't expect you to read it, just to take a brief look at it) to show you why people (including me, maybe) show perplexity when it deals with institutionalizing gay parenthood.
besides,....gay parents already exist in countries like mine. It deals with divorced or widowed men who became gay...and so they keep growing their children with their gay partners.

You and anyone else that raises these questions is short-sighted. Bigotry occurs in all types of people. Focusing on gay men with children is also a bit strange. They're gay. Not all gay men are simply women-haters; in fact, I'd wager the percentage is very small. Lack of attraction doesn't equate to bigotry. That would make attraction a choice and therefore everyone would be bisexual.

As for teaching sexual education, why would a gay person repeat the same abuse that their (likely) straight parents may have done? When you grow up being told your orientation is wrong or not even worth addressing, and you break free of that dogma, why would you go and repeat it to your children? Why would anyone think it's a good idea to ignore sexual education topics with an questioning child? This is a question worth raising to all parents, straight or otherwise.

Hopefully you can see how the questions you have raised are at the very least misdirected and short-sighted and at worst bigoted and harmful.

 

[Estro Felino]

Hopefully you can see how the questions you have raised are at the very least misdirected and short-sighted and at worst bigoted and harmful.

I didn't raise any question. This thread is for discussing about the points listed in that article. Actually it is not an article...it's a book.
then the author must be a bigoted person, then

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I didn't raise any question. This thread is for discussing about the points listed in that article. Actually it is not an article...it's a book.
then the author must be a bigoted person, then

That much was obviously within five seconds of opening the link you provided.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That article is just typical Christian right garbage.

Oh, and looky here: NOM Touts ‘Gays Are Pedophiles’ Author, Claims Marriage Equality Will Make Kids Gay | Equality Matters

That woman is a crank.

 

[McBell]

There's an article I've found interesting.
http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/ovic/Vie...iva2_tcc&zid=a9764475de34e422c34761f9631ce865

Gay parenthood is a very delicate topic. I want to underline that I deeply believe that a gay person can be a wonderful and loving parent. Some gay people are better parents than ordinary straight people.
But when it deals with parenthood, I think that prudence is the keyword. Because parenthood is not about the will to be parents. It is about the love children need and what they expect from their parents.

I think that we should be prudent. I would freak out if I found out that two gay parents teach their child that woman plays no role in life.
Gay parents must teach straight sexual education to their children.

How do you separate "parent" and "parenthood"?

 

[dgirl1986]

No rational person would do this. Hell, I don't think anyone (aside from your paranoid self) would even think of such a notion.

How about just comprehensive sex education in general? Regardless of the orientation involved?

I second this

 

[LuisDantas]

There's an article I've found interesting.
http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/ovic/Vie...iva2_tcc&zid=a9764475de34e422c34761f9631ce865

Gay parenthood is a very delicate topic.

I don't really understand why.

I want to underline that I deeply believe that a gay person can be a wonderful and loving parent. Some gay people are better parents than ordinary straight people.
But when it deals with parenthood, I think that prudence is the keyword. Because parenthood is not about the will to be parents. It is about the love children need and what they expect from their parents.

I think that we should be prudent. I would freak out if I found out that two gay parents teach their child that woman plays no role in life.
Gay parents must teach straight sexual education to their children.

Uh?

Do you truly think such a problem exists?