Gay Pride, the final sign of the end...

[Just_me_Mike]

Here is another excerpt for those that have not read the link... It is the opening section before he moves on...

GAY PRIDE & SAME SEX MARRIAGE SUCCESSES;
A SIGN FROM GOD THAT JUDGMENT DAY IS VERY NEAR

The world-wide success of the Gay Pride/Same Sex Marriage movement is a dramatic sign provided by God to warn the world that the world is on the threshold of Judgment Day.
In the Bible God has given a number of signs to warn the world that Judgment Day and the end of the world are very close.

For example:
1. The nation of Israel was destroyed by the Romans in the year 70 A.D. As a consequence, for more than 1,800 years it did not exist as a nation. Nor did it have its own homeland. But then in 1948, almost miraculously, it became a nation with its own homeland. God planned this event for many reasons. One was to demonstrate that the world is getting near its end (Matthew 24:32,33).

2. The rise of the Charismatic Movement, that began several decades ago and has spread like wildfire throughout the world into so many churches (Matthew 24:24;
Revelation13:13,14), is another sign that God has given that indicates we are very close to the end.

3. The great spiritual decay that can be seen in most churches (1 Peter 4:17, Jeremiah 25:28,29) is another sign that God has given.

4. Another sign is given by God’s words in 1 Thessalonians 5. There God warns that there will be a time when there will be true believers who will know from the
Bible the time of the Day of Judgment. But a great many others who have the Bible will insist He will come as a thief in the night – that is, we cannot know the time.
In our day if any person who is a member of a church is asked, “Do you know when Christ is coming?” the answer that will usually be given is, “The Bible says we cannot
know. Jesus is coming as a thief in the night.” If the questioner then asks, “Are you ready to meet Him whenever He comes?” the usual answer that is given is, “Yes, I am saved. I am ready to meet Him whenever He comes.” Effectively they have said, “Christ is coming as a thief in the night but I am safely at peace with God because I am saved. This response is exactly the sign God has given in the Bible that assures us that Judgment Day is almost here.
In 1 Thessalonians 5:2-6 God warns:

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the
Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with
child; and they shall not escape. For ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. ye are all the children of light, and the children
of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

For those who are not watching Christ gives the frightening warning that He will come as a thief. Sudden destruction will come upon them (the Day of Judgment).
In Revelation 3:13 God informs us:”

…If therefore, thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.”

To watch means to search through the Bible to learn from God when He is coming. This is the way we have learned that He is coming on May 21, 2011.

This sign gives the terrible warning that those in the churches who believe that we cannot know the exact day of Christ’s return and that He will come as a thief in the
night (but that they themselves are saved) will for certain enter into Judgment Day to endure the wrath of God. How awful!

 

[fantome profane]

As for billions of people dying, that happens all the time, just not in such a short time frame. Last time I checked 200,000 die everyday on Earth on average every 24 hours.

True, and if you invited people to make fun of those deaths I would call you grotesque. So what is the difference?

Listen, like others in this thread I think you are a nice guy, and I suppose I come off here looking like nothing but a big meanie without a sense of humour. But perhaps you can view my posts in this thread as a crude attempt at tough love.

I realize you are not talking about the deaths of very one, but still what you are talking about is horrific, and I don’t want you to ignore the horror of it. And frankly I don’t want other people to forget that this nice sweet guy is so casually talking about the deaths of billions.

If you want to post this stuff go ahead, but all I ask is that if you really believe it then you take it seriously.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I'm glad to hear he doesn't hate anyone, at least.

I guess though for him, his idea goes along the lines of "love the sinner, hate the sin". However, it can seem like there is no real separation between hating the sinner and hating the "sin", especially when it is something that one has no control over whatsoever. We wouldn't respect someone who said the same based on someone's race or gender so why should we allow someone who says the same of sexuality?

Just my opinion.


Yep.

If these are the facts as he sees them, though, how does he know when the end of the world is coming? Why does he go against the teachings of Jesus in the Bible if this is the case?

Matthew 24:36-37: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."


A bit hmmm for me.

This excerpt might help with the question about not knowing when:

4. Another sign is given by God’s words in 1 Thessalonians 5. There God warns that there will be a time when there will be true believers who will know from the
Bible the time of the Day of Judgment. But a great many others who have the Bible will insist He will come as a thief in the night – that is, we cannot know the time.
In our day if any person who is a member of a church is asked, “Do you know when Christ is coming?” the answer that will usually be given is, “The Bible says we cannot
know. Jesus is coming as a thief in the night.” If the questioner then asks, “Are you ready to meet Him whenever He comes?” the usual answer that is given is, “Yes, I am saved. I am ready to meet Him whenever He comes.” Effectively they have said, “Christ is coming as a thief in the night but I am safely at peace with God because I am saved. This response is exactly the sign God has given in the Bible that assures us that Judgment Day is almost here.
In 1 Thessalonians 5:2-6 God warns:

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the
Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with
child; and they shall not escape. For ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. ye are all the children of light, and the children
of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

As for hating the sin and not the sinner, and what you bring up about being born with a certain sexuality. I agree this is an apparently horrible situation. On one hand if this is all true, one might conclude all gay people will die. However, I don't believe the bible teaches that. There is no teaching in the bible that allows a person to know who will die and who will go on, regardless of who or what they are.

Surely some gays will die, but just as certain so will many church members. I think it will be an equal opportunity death for the world. If that is any consolation. So I am sure many gays will live and many religious will die. At least that is what I get out of the bible

 

[Just_me_Mike]

True, and if you invited people to make fun of those deaths I would call you grotesque. So what is the difference?

Listen, like others in this thread I think you are a nice guy, and I suppose I come off here looking like nothing but a big meanie without a sense of humour. But perhaps you can view my posts in this thread as a crude attempt at tough love.

I realize you are not talking about the deaths of very one, but still what you are talking about is horrific, and I don’t want you to ignore the horror of it. And frankly I don’t want other people to forget that this nice sweet guy is so casually talking about the deaths of billions.

If you want to post this stuff go ahead, but all I ask is that if you really believe it then you take it seriously.

Again I can respect all of that.
The fact is if it is all true, can I do a damn thing about it? If there are millions that will die, should they be gloomy about it, or live it up?

You can make this a tragic thing, or say **** it, and live on until it happens. Just depends on your perspective. Personally I hate this world and what it has become, and frankly what we as a species has allowed our "rulers" to do in the name of what we know are false hopes. This world deserves a big ol spanking.

Maybe it won't happen, but to be honest I wouldn't be so sad if it did. I realize not all humans are driven by greed and mindless zombieism, but it seems they are taking over the world and little is being done to stop it. So there is some seriousness for you and more honesty. Cool?

 

[Wotan]

"At least that is what I get out of the bible "

I think you should just "get out of the bible."

 

[Just_me_Mike]

"At least that is what I get out of the bible "

I think you should just "get out of the bible."

Oh really? Why?

 

[fantome profane]

This world deserves a big ol spanking.

That! Right there is exactly what is ******* me off so much! We are not talking about “a big ol spanking”. We are taking about histories biggest massacre! So dammit if that is what you mean that say that. If you really mean that you think the world deserves an enormous massacre, then say that. If you really believe that billions of people deserve to be killed then say it. Don’t try to put it in cute sounding words, don’t make light of it Say it! Face it!

 

[Wotan]

Oh really? Why?

It would help you get over paying any attention to this nonsense.

Seriously. Get a life. It is a wonderful world out there and you have only a few short years to learn about it and enjoy it.

Get out THERE.

Ah, make the most of what we yet may spend,
Before we too into the Dust descend;
Dust into Dust, and under Dust to lie,
Sans Wine, sans Song, sans Singer, and--sans End!

 

[angellous_evangellous]

This conclusion is not offered because it is the opinion of
some Bible scholar.

That's because no Bible scholar would offer this interpretation. hahaha

 

[Just_me_Mike]

That! Right there is exactly what is ******* me off so much! We are not talking about “a big ol spanking”. We are taking about histories biggest massacre! So dammit if that is what you mean that say that. If you really mean that you think the world deserves an enormous massacre, then say that. If you really believe that billions of people deserve to be killed then say it. Don’t try to put it in cute sounding words, don’t make light of it Say it! Face it!

I am sorry it ****** you off. The way I speak is the way I speak. I am not a bitter person and it obviously doesn't come out in my verbiage. I am not hateful, but certainly I am ashamed of this world and the human race. I see no hope for it.
Yes, it is true there is nothing I love more than a hug from my son and watching him grow, but the reality is, this world is an awful place and his chances of survival in the future are going to be tough because of the choices we as humans have made and all the bass akward ways we have set up for our specie to live.

I suppose the day we put a price on water, and a price on air and a price on being able to equally eat, is probably the day we really goofed up. I have no problem with someonehaving more then you or me, cause I don't need much, but when I see it is sooooo difficult for millions to obtain the basic essentials of life: Water, food, a place to live, I have to be honest with myself.

Now to the business of comparing me saying this world needs a big ol spanking to saying it deserves a massacre, I am not in a position of saying what it really needs, I just know how I feel inside. If there is a God, and if this is going to happen, I can only imagine it is going to be perfect from God's perspective. If that is grotesque to you or even me, than so be it. I can't make a tree stop being a tree, ya know?

 

[Meow Mix]

I want people who think they are sure that doomsday is on x day of y month of z year to prove it by giving me all of their material wealth the day before. That would prove that they have the utmost faith, si?

 

[Smoke]

RF members might have fun with this one... On the top of the page when you follow the link there is a section about Gay Pride. http://www.familyradio.com
Here is an excert:

Unfortunately, this lunatic is not alone in his bizarre interpretation of the Bible.

 

[waitasec]

Why wait so long?

I'm for one lo-o-o-ng orgy come 6-21-11. Longest day longest orgy all sex all the time for all. No holds barred.

And rum for all.

swedish?
mid-summer

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Out of curiosity, is it merely the conclusions that warrant such disdain?

I mean Newton for example believed in Alchemy, yet without him it is arguable physics would not have become what it has become. Point being, that if we were to know Alchemy was a fraudulent practice long ago, would we have dismissed most of Newton's other work? Is that fair?

Anyway, I was just curious...

 

[Wotan]

Out of curiosity, is it merely the conclusions that warrant such disdain?

I mean Newton for example believed in Alchemy, yet without him it is arguable physics would not have become what it has become. Point being, that if we were to know Alchemy was a fraudulent practice long ago, would we have dismissed most of Newton's other work? Is that fair?

Anyway, I was just curious...

No, not the conclusions. The way they were arrived at. NO evidence given. No rational argument stemming from or relying on established principals. NO justification whatever beyond citing this myth.

Now why would any person not already given to believing this stuff be in the least impressed swayed or moved by the "argument."

Moved that is other than to laughter?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

No, not the conclusions. The way they were arrived at. NO evidence given. No rational argument stemming from or relying on established principals. NO justification whatever beyond citing this myth.

Now why would any person not already given to believing this stuff be in the least impressed swayed or moved by the "argument."

Moved that is other than to laughter?

May I ask if you have this attidue for the subject of metaphysics as well?

 

[Wotan]

May I ask if you have this attidue for the subject of metaphysics as well?

Pretty much. Why?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Pretty much. Why?

Without hopefully sounding judgmental. It seems there are those who are just not wired to "feel" metaphysics, and then there are those that become totally engulfed with the idea of it.

Now, it doesn't matter if metaphysics is real or not, I am just making an observation and noting a curious thing about human nature. The more I talk to people the more I tend to think people can not help their attitude towards metaphysics, and consequently God as well.

Another question for you, is have you actually spent any time with the subject of metaphysics? Did you ever think it might be valid, or have you always thought it was simply not existent?

 

[Smoke]

Out of curiosity, is it merely the conclusions that warrant such disdain?

I mean Newton for example believed in Alchemy, yet without him it is arguable physics would not have become what it has become. Point being, that if we were to know Alchemy was a fraudulent practice long ago, would we have dismissed most of Newton's other work? Is that fair?

No, you take what's worthwhile and reject the garbage, just as people do with Newton and Aristotle. The problem with Harold Camping is, all he produces is garbage.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

No, you take what's worthwhile and reject the garbage, just as people do with Newton and Aristotle. The problem with Harold Camping is, all he produces is garbage.

That gave me a good chuckle (seriously).
If I haven't said so, you are a good poster here and I generally enjoy reading your posts.

Does this post mean you have spent time studying his work or listening to him?

Thanks...