Gay Radicals Disrupt/Protest Worship Services

[Apex]

I'll be sure to alert the stenographer.

And while such actions as in the OP are clearly wrong and deplorable, isn't this 'de-supporting' a little like refusing to associate with Mormons because of, say, the actions of some of the leadership of the FLDS?

Since when are the FLDS part of our Church? And I am not taking this event in isolation. Recently a very, in my opinion, bigoted and revolting add was published by the Gay community about my Church. Taking both of these events together shows a growing amount of this kind of behavior beginning to occur. While I have supported homosexual rights in the past, and still do, I will not support the groups if this kind of behavior continues. Now, if large Gay activists groups come out and publicly denounce this act, that is a different story. However, I would also like to see them denounce the add against my Church but I doubt that will ever happen.

 

[Magic Man]

Ok, first, Zippy, calm down. Throwing insults back at them will accomplish nothing.

I'm with you so far.

Second, is this really how the gay community wants to present itself to the rest of us? First we get the revolting add about the LDS Church and then they quite literally invade another church screaming insults.

Apparently, this is how part of the gay community wants to present itself, just as part of the Christian community wants to present itself as the Westboro Baptist Church does. Why are you making the mistake of generalizing here? This was one group and one incident. It wasn't right, but it also isn't indicative of the entire movement. Also, it's for another thread, but that commercial was pretty dead-on. If you found it revolting, then you should find the church's actions revolting.

I don't think I can put my support behind the gay community if this kind of behavior continues. In fact, I think they have lost it completely.

Yes, because this one incident is enough for you not to support equal rights, huh? So, because one small group goes about it the wrong way, you feel you're justified in not supporting the entire group's bid for equal rights? That seems petty to me.

 

[zippythepinhead]

Excuse me. This was the gay community that did this.

All of them?
Some of them?

Or just a handful of people.

What next? All muslims are extremists and the muslims are not doing enough to quiet the extremists. Why aren't the Bonsiaks keeping Al-Qaeda down?

But you have already withdrawn you support. Completely.

How intelligent and principled.

Since you have done that do everyone a favor. Remove yourself from the voting bloc.

Here's a box of tissues.



You mean the right to worship including the religious institutions which do marry homosexuals, call them "married" and yet your religious institution fought hard to abrogate their religious freedom.

There's a term called hypocrite. I recommend you look it up.

Oh yeah.......as one LDS member already told me, here is some advice for all of you.

Grow up.

Just imagine if the civil rights movement lost support from whites due to the existence of the black panthers. Compared to the struggles then, these protests are nothing.

Cowards.

Apparently you have selective reading. I said that this is not the entire homosexual community. It is the lunatic fringe. The fact that there are people that condone or empathize with this behavior on this board makes me want to barf:banghead3

 

[Apex]

Excuse me. This was the gay community that did this.

All of them?
Some of them?

Or just a handful of people.

What next? All muslims are extremists and the muslims are not doing enough to quiet the extremists. Why aren't the Bonsiaks keeping Al-Qaeda down?

But you have already withdrawn you support. Completely.

How intelligent and principled.

Since you have done that do everyone a favor. Remove yourself from the voting bloc.

Here's a box of tissues.

You did not understand my point clearly. You only took half of what I was saying and ran with it. However, thanks to your "oh so kind" response, I really don't feel like explaining it to you again.

 

[zippythepinhead]

Since when are the FLDS part of our Church? And I am not taking this event in isolation. Recently a very, in my opinion, bigoted and revolting add was published by the Gay community about my Church. Taking both of these events together shows a growing amount of this kind of behavior beginning to occur. While I have supported homosexual rights in the past, and still do, I will not support the groups if this kind of behavior continues. Now, if large Gay activists groups come out and publicly denounce this act, that is a different story. However, I would also like to see them denounce the add against my Church but I doubt that will ever happen.

Apex on this point I am behind you brotha!:clap

 

[DallasApple]

This is inexcusable. It is not acceptable to interrupt someone else's right to worship, just because you don't like what they preach.

It doesnt sound like to me its being excused or accepted ....

Love

Dallas

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

This is not only violation of a groups rights Heathen, this is disrupting the peace, which is against the law.

Should some radical Christian group barge into your bungalow and tell you "convert or go to hell?" Of course not. Endorsing this type of behavior is inexcusable:knight::yoda:

Let's keep a sense of perspective. It's not like a noisy protest in a church is the Mountain Meadows massacre.

Okay... now that that's out of the way, back to drawing generalizations about whole groups from isolated events, everyone!

 

[Apex]

I'm with you so far.



Apparently, this is how part of the gay community wants to present itself, just as part of the Christian community wants to present itself as the Westboro Baptist Church does. Why are you making the mistake of generalizing here? This was one group and one incident. It wasn't right, but it also isn't indicative of the entire movement. Also, it's for another thread, but that commercial was pretty dead-on. If you found it revolting, then you should find the church's actions revolting.



Yes, because this one incident is enough for you not to support equal rights, huh? So, because one small group goes about it the wrong way, you feel you're justified in not supporting the entire group's bid for equal rights? That seems petty to me.

Please read post #21. I am already tired of everyone thinking I am generalizing. Iam not.

Now, if large Gay activists groups come out and publicly denounce this act, that is a different story.

Lets see if any major Gay activists groups come out and condemn this protest.

If you still haven't gotten the clue, I am waiting for large groups to denounce this act as wrong. If that happens this act will really mean nothing to me. However, the add is still a black mark in my book. You disagree, which is fine as long as you grant me the same in return.

 

[gnomon]

You did not understand my point clearly. You only took half of what I was saying and ran with it. However, thanks to your "oh so kind" response, I really don't feel like explaining it to you again.

Yes, because you think you have removed your support completely from the gay community.

:clap

How brave.

Imagine if it was this sort of bravery exhibited during the civil rights era by whites due to the actions of the black panthers or other such radical groups.

Placing some pathetic cultural tie over reasoned principles.

If only those uppity queers truly knew their place.

I took half of what you said? That half stands on its own as incredibly stupid.

You don't like it. Feel offended.

edit: Also use the report button. Because I'm not going to stop. People want to feel victimized when they have not then perhaps its time to start laying on some real abuse. Get you a good feel for it.

 

[Magic Man]

Please read post #21. I am already tired of everyone thinking I am generalizing. Iam not.

I'll refer you to this:

Second, is this really how the gay community wants to present itself to the rest of us? First we get the revolting add about the LDS Church and then they quite literally invade another church screaming insults.

I don't think I can put my support behind the gay community if this kind of behavior continues. In fact, I think they have lost it completely.

That is generalizing at its core.

If you still haven't gotten the clue, I am waiting for large groups to denounce this act as wrong. If that happens this act will really mean nothing to me. However, the add is still a black mark in my book. You disagree, which is fine as long as you grant me the same in return.

I'm still waiting for large groups to denounce the actions of the LDS church in support of Prop 8. However, until that happens, I am not holding it against you or other Mormons who have supported gay rights.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Apparently you have selective reading. I said that this is not the entire homosexual community. It is the lunatic fringe. The fact that there are people that condone or empathize with this behavior on this board makes me want to barf

I'm surprised you have any bile left to barf in light of the LDS Church's behavior. I've completely run out myself, but I'll acknowledge that the handful of radicals in this apparently isolated incident went over the line.

Recently a very, in my opinion, bigoted and revolting add was published by the Gay community about my Church.

With all due respect, I disagree. The only thing revolting about that ad was the bigotry (coming from your Church, I'm afraid) which it accurately criticized.

 

[Father Heathen]

This is not only violation of a groups rights Heathen, this is disrupting the peace, which is against the law.

Should some radical Christian group barge into your bungalow and tell you "convert or go to hell?" Of course not. Endorsing this type of behavior is inexcusable:knight::yoda:

I wasn't condoning it. I think it's in everyone's interest to watch out not only for our own rights and freedoms, but for each others as well. Mutual respect goes a long way. When we don't have that we get these cycles and chain reactions.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

There's an Arab saying...."He beats me and cries, he takes me to court and sues me".

It seems like a lot of people in this country are doing that to gays and lesbians.

 

[Rolling_Stone]

These people who are the epidemy of tolerance desecrate a house of worship. And the weenie cops did nothing.

Pretty soon are we going to police our own churches and keep the freeks of society out because our own law enforcement has left their fortitude in the car?

These freeks gave up their free speech rights when they crossed the line disrupting a group worshipping God according to thier rights under the Constitution.

Gay rights protesters disrupt Sunday service | lansingstatejournal.com | Lansing State Journal

I hope you were not surprised. It was as predictable as the sun's rising.

 

[gnomon]

I hope you were not surprised. It was as predictable as the sun's rising. The "gay" community is noted for its undisciplined behavior and disregard for others.

Here, you get one too.
:clap

It's celebrate hyperbolic nonsense day.

 

[Rolling_Stone]

There's an Arab saying...."He beats me and cries, he takes me to court and sues me".

It seems like a lot of people in this country are doing that to gays and lesbians.

What planet are you on?

 

[kiwimac]

Seems to remember that some Blacks turned up to White Christian services in both the US and South Africa during the various reigns of apartheid in both countries. But please tell me something, why is it wrong for these folk to protest the removal of their right to celebrate their loving relationships in a marriage? Would you not do the same? I know I would.

 

[gnomon]

I do not agree with the tactics of individuals to walk into church services to protest. They do not know what each individual member believes. It also does not bring the right focus to the issue.

As well, no one here condones the destruction of property or defacing of property allegedly attributed to the gay community elsewhere.

Also, the hyperbole in response is inexcusable.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

First of all....does ANYONE have any additional information on this supposed event Zippy has posted???? From my research beyond what Zippy has posted, no one seems to to be coo berating this story. I hit this up on Youtube and a video responder said he needed more info from viewers because everyone he's asked seem to not know what he was talking about. As far as the church in question, a person left a comment saying they are familiar with the church and was pretty sure they tape their services. Doe any one have any footage of the day in question. I typed the name of the church in the Youtube search and found plenty of video to do with the church and events and functions they have...but nothing on this supposed attack. There wasn't even any independent cellphone or video cam recordings. One Youtube poster, who I don't believe went to the church, said people were throwing condoms, using megaphones...two lesbian went up on the stage and started to make out...etc...etc. Now this church was supposed to have a few thousand people attending that day and so far I've seen no video or photo documentation to this date. Does any one have anything other than the obvious christian posters on this?

 

[DallasApple]

First of all....does ANYONE have any additional information on this supposed event Zippy has posted???? From my research beyond what Zippy has posted, no one seems to to be coo berating this story. I hit this up on Youtube and a video responder said he needed more info from viewers because everyone he's asked seem to not know what he was talking about. As far as the church in question, a person left a comment saying they are familiar with the church and was pretty sure they tape their services. Doe any one have any footage of the day in question. I typed the name of the church in the Youtube search and found plenty of video to do with the church and events and functions they have...but nothing on this supposed attack. There wasn't even any independent cellphone or video cam recordings. One Youtube poster, who I don't believe went to the church, said people were throwing condoms, using megaphones...two lesbian went up on the stage and started to make out...etc...etc. Now this church was supposed to have a few thousand people attending that day and so far I've seen no video or photo documentation to this date. Does any one have anything other than the obvious christian posters on this?

Thats another thing..I immediatley went to find more sources for this story..There arent any...Just like with the video of the guy supposedly being arrested for simply wearign a McCain t-shirt on the night of the election..

Im not saying that this did not happen..Im just really skepticle of how accurate the details are..The fact that no one was arrested tells me something..Its possible the actions of these activist were exagerated by a few..Maybe some of the details were "dramatized"..Just like claiming the man in the McCain shirt had been "assaulted" by the police..Simply because they took him by the arms and handcuffed him..

Love

Dallas